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Leading WaPo Covid Hawk Dr. Leana Wen: We're overcounting COVID deaths now
Hotair ^ | 01/13/2023 | John Sexton

Posted on 01/13/2023 8:29:50 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Leana Wen has led several lives in the media over the past couple of years. She was a leading COVID hawk back in 2021 who compared going out in public without being vaccinated to drunk driving. But almost as quickly she angered the left this year for turning on mask mandates and other restrictions with statements like this.

For those who don’t agree that the vaccinated can return to pre-pandemic normal, I ask: What should we all do? Perpetual masking? Forever not dining out, avoiding large weddings & indoor gatherings, etc? Virtually everything has risk, and zero covid is not a viable strategy.

— Leana Wen, M.D. (@DrLeanaWen) March 23, 2022

She actually got the full cancel culture treatment because of her new opinions:

Her columns in recent months have sung a new Covid tune, encouraging governments to drop mask mandates and embrace “individual responsibility.” This is what some of us have argued all along. But no political epiphany goes unpunished. And now more than 600 activists are demanding that the American Public Health Association cancel her as a panelist at a conference this autumn…

Her opponents accuse her of promoting “unscientific, unsafe, ableist, fatphobic, and unethical practices.” They take issue with a column in which she argued that large events such as Washington’s Gridiron Club dinner in April should go on despite the contagion risk. “This is our new normal—one that’s based on individuals being thoughtful about their own risks and the risks they pose to others,” she wrote.

In August she wrote a column explaining why here kids wouldn’t be wearing masks in school this year. Today, Wen has a new piece at the Post arguing that we’re currently overcounting COVID deaths and that isn’t very helpful for helping people estimate the real danger of the disease at this point.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the United States is experiencing around 400 covid deaths every day. At that rate, there would be nearly 150,000 deaths a year.

But are these Americans dying from covid or with covid?…

Two infectious-disease experts I spoke with believe that the number of deaths attributed to covid is far greater than the actual number of people dying from covid. Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with covid are actually in the hospital for some other illness.

“Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for covid, many are incidentally positive,” he said. A gunshot victim or someone who had a heart attack, for example, could test positive for the virus, but the infection has no bearing on why they sought medical care.

So how many people hospitalized with COVID as opposed to from COVID? Massachusetts has been separating the categories and has found about 30% are there because of COVID while the rest are there for other reasons but happen to also have it. Here’s a graph showing the difference.

This seems like a pretty obvious difference that we ought to be tracking everywhere. Dr. Wen concludes:

To be clear, if the covid death count turns out to be 30 percent of what’s currently reported, that’s still unacceptably high. But that knowledge could help people better gauge the risks of traveling, indoor dining and activities they have yet to resume.

We have more than one measure of unemployment, why not more than one measure of COVID hospitalizations and deaths. For most people, the relevant number is going to be the one that tells them how many people died from COVID. In fact, most people are already living as if the totals we hear are an overestimate. Why not just clarify the situation so people can better estimate their own risk? Anyway, I just checked Twitter and sure enough there are people outraged about this new column. Dr. Wen has gone from progressive COVID champion to spreader of misinformation, etc.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: covid; deaths; leanawen; overcounting

1 posted on 01/13/2023 8:29:50 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Covid deaths” have been “overcounted” from the very beginning.


2 posted on 01/13/2023 8:34:00 PM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“ableist, fatphobic,”

I would hope that no organization would take people seriously who use such terms.


3 posted on 01/13/2023 8:34:39 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"For those who don’t agree that the vaccinated can return to pre-pandemic normal, I ask: What should we all do? Perpetual masking? Forever not dining out, avoiding large weddings & indoor gatherings, etc? Virtually everything has risk, and zero covid is not a viable strategy."

Here in Idaho, we really didn't deviate that much from pre-pandemic normal and the end-results were the same as the states that went absolutely insane with lockdowns and ridiculous measures.

It was so good here in north Idaho that the parking lots around our many lakes were absolutely filled with cars from nearby Washington state. All those Washington people were escaping their ridiculous tyranny. I've had many Washingtonians tell me "Wow, everything was so NORMAL in Idaho." Heh, heh. Yep.

There is still a handful stores with all their COVID plexiglas shields up and stations to squirt sanitizer on your hands. Yesterday, I saw two women coming into our supermarket who grabbed sanitizing wipes to wipe down the handle of the shopping carts before using them. One of the two had on gloves, to boot.

4 posted on 01/13/2023 8:36:24 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (Once you get people to believe that a plural pronoun is singular, they'll believe anything - nicollo)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve seen elephants fly!

She was tyrannical in her stance on masks and vax in 2020 and 2021.


5 posted on 01/13/2023 8:36:55 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: fireman15

Yes, and by CDC mandate. Heads need to roll.


6 posted on 01/13/2023 8:39:10 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmm. Sounds as if she does not want to admit that the vaxseem does not permit people from dying from the ‘rona, so her way around this is to just not count so many ‘rona deaths as ‘rona deaths.


7 posted on 01/13/2023 8:43:17 PM PST by CheshireTheCat ("Forgetting pain is convenient.Remembering it agonizing.But recovering truth is worth the suffering")
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To: SeekAndFind

I didn’t know until yesterday that people are still dying from it.

I lost interest in the covid stuff a long time ago.


8 posted on 01/13/2023 8:49:45 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: SeekAndFind

9 posted on 01/13/2023 9:08:40 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: SeekAndFind

Same thing happens with the RATS’ fraudulent covid mail-in banana ballots.


10 posted on 01/13/2023 10:38:19 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Amerika! The whole world is watching and laughing their asses off. )
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To: SeekAndFind

This broad’s a tw@t.


11 posted on 01/13/2023 11:45:58 PM PST by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: fireman15
“Covid deaths” have been “overcounted” from the very beginning.

When there's a financial incentive to overcount, then there will be overcounting.

12 posted on 01/14/2023 1:15:05 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Another Chinese born jerk who thanks America by pushing Chinese authoritarian ideas.


13 posted on 01/14/2023 2:49:06 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The guy next to me on a cross country flight yesterday had his useless little mask on, but it kept slipping down. Don’t know if he was a true believer or just a virtue signaler.

I was at a large trade show in Vegas and saw only two people wearing them.


14 posted on 01/14/2023 7:16:21 AM PST by cyclotic (Follow 1776rm.com. Fighting for our Constitution. @1776RM on Truth)
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To: fireman15

By an order of magnitude


15 posted on 01/14/2023 7:45:24 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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To: cyclotic

I saw an elderly couple in a checkout line last week, both wearing masks. But the gentleman was towing an oxygen bottle.


16 posted on 01/14/2023 7:55:13 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (Once you get people to believe that a plural pronoun is singular, they'll believe anything - nicollo)
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To: fireman15

“’Covid deaths’ have been “overcounted” from the very beginning.”

Yeah, but that was when she wanted hysteria about all the “deaths.” Now she is worried someone might get the idea the vaxx doesn’t work.


17 posted on 01/14/2023 8:26:47 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Now”


When they concede about ‘then’ as well, wake me.


18 posted on 01/14/2023 9:44:03 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: sauropod

From Wikipedia: “As president of Planned Parenthood, Wen worked to expand non-abortion services like maternal health and mental health services and to rebrand Planned Parenthood from its image as an abortion rights advocate to a comprehensive women’s health organization that serves women and families. . .In July 2019, Leana Wen was forced out of her job as president of Planned Parenthood. The board gave no reason, but sources cited a dispute over management and organizational philosophy.”
Wen followed Cecile Richards as head of Planned Parenthood.


19 posted on 01/14/2023 10:29:11 PM PST by rackatoot
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