Posted on 12/31/2022 10:24:13 PM PST by Cronos
Russia has put forward a highly contentious list of security guarantees it says it wants the west to agree to in order to lower tensions in Europe and defuse the crisis over Ukraine, including many elements that have already been ruled out.
...The demands, spelled out by Moscow in full for the first time, were handed over to the US this week. They include a demand that Nato remove any troops or weapons deployed to countries that entered the alliance after 1997, which would include much of eastern Europe, including Poland, the former Soviet countries of Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and the Balkan countries.
Russia has also demanded that Nato rule out further expansion, including the accession of Ukraine into the alliance, and that it does not hold drills without previous agreement from Russia in Ukraine, eastern Europe, in Caucasus countries such as Georgia or in Central Asia.
Those proposals are likely to be viewed extremely negatively by Nato countries, in particular Poland and the Baltic states. They have warned that Russia is attempting to re-establish a sphere of influence in the region and view the document as proof Moscow is seeking to limit their sovereignty.
(Excerpt) Read more at amp.theguardian.com ...
“That’s a lie. If they were supporting Putin’s war they would be sending weapons to Russia. So far, its North Korea and Iran that are sending weapon”
There are other ways to support, like continuing normal trade. Russia doesn’t need their weapons, only the Daily Mail and Neocon-sponsored propagandists think so.
Continuing trade with Russia, is NOT supporting the Russian invasion, it means these countries are not taking sides.
I saw that picture, it’s Donetsk City, after another Ukrainian shelling of civilian areas there. Thankfully it’s not a war crime, since the Neocons are supporting that practice.
Thanks for posting it!
“Continuing trade with Russia, is NOT supporting the Russian invasion, it means these countries are not taking sides”
Nice try!
Iran and N. Korea have one thing in common with Putin and BobL - they hate America.
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Nice try!
No answer, because these countries are ASLO continuing trade with Ukraine, especially with grain. So according to you they are supporting Russia AND Ukraine.
Wrong again. A woman carries her cat as she walks past buildings that were destroyed by Russian shelling, in Borodyanka, in the Kyiv region, Ukraine, April 5, 2022.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/images-show-destruction-left-ukraine-town-borodyanka-russian/story?id=83910345
I hear they are desperate for anyone now. Make a difference.
Right, like ABC News hasn’t lied to the public. We don’t take those ‘sources’ seriously here.
Got anything better, like Geo-location, because it looks a LOT like one of the residential buildings in Donetsk City that was shelled by Ukraine.
Russian/Soviet construction all has the same dreary look.
“No answer, because these countries are ASLO continuing trade with Ukraine, especially with grain. So according to you they are supporting Russia AND Ukraine.”
No one’s trading with Ukraine because RUZZIA refuses to let the grain ships leave, or did you forget that line already? Or are you guys now walking back that claim?
Nope, the 85% of the world NOT imposing sanctions are FINANCING Putin’s ‘War of Aggression’ (as claimed by the Neocons). RUZZIA is the country still making hundreds of billions selling their goods, mainly energy. Even if Ukraine got a ship or two past those evil Russians, it’s a pittance, as Ukraine is now TOTALLY DEPENDENT on the Neocons to finance their war.
Wake me up when you get some of that 85% of the world to start supporting your side, LOL.
“Russian/Soviet construction all has the same dreary look.”
Can’t argue that point.
Lame
Thanks for this post from before Putin invaded Ukraine. No one wanted this war but dumbass Putin. Who will be dead or deposed by March 2023
Neutrality, continuing trading is NOT supporting Russian invasion, its just not taking sides. If 85% of the world supported the Russian invasion, they would have vetoed the UN motion condemning the Russian invasion.
UN General Assembly demands Russia stop its offensive in Ukraine, voting 141 to five with 35 abstentions.
The United Nations General Assembly has voted to demand that Russia stop its offensive and immediately withdraw all troops, with world powers and tiny island states alike condemning Moscow.
The vote on Wednesday saw 141 states vote in favour of the motion, five against and 35 abstentions.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/unga-resolution-against-ukraine-invasion-full-text
The Russian negotiating opener is a joke.
Russia is in no position to make any demands. Russia has lost the military and economic capability to exist much less demand what is can not achieve otherwise
The only valid Russian demand is to maintain in excess of 50% of oil and gas revenues sequestered by the west as reparations
Votes counted by Dominion.
Oh, the chicoms love this war. Russia and NATO are using up their military capabilities.
We fomented a Ukraine revolution/coup in 2014, caused a civil war and sided with the neo-Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists that wanted to exterminate the ethnic Russian population.
We encouraged Ukraine to ignore the Minsk Agreement it signed that would have brought peace to the region.
We armed Ukraine with offensive weapons, teased NATO membership for Ukraine and opened biological weapons labs there.
Then we built the Ukrainian army into the largest army in the NATO zone besides us, and massed it for deployment in the area of the Donbass in obvious preparation for an attack.
And finally, when Russia responded to all that, we claimed they invaded Ukraine for no good reason to annex territory.
New year, new lie from the Putin Fanbois.
Really? Really? Ukraine was preparing to invade Russia, a power with a population, army, navy, air force and industrial base that is orders of magnitude larger?
Oh yeah, and then there is that other thing that Russia has that Ukraine does not. To quote Denis Leary "Two words. NUCLEAR F'ING WEAPONS!" Even by the very low standards of Putin Fanbois that is nonsensical.
But hey, thanks for playing. I'm sure you will have ample opportunity to spout more ill conceived falsehoods in support of Putin during the upcoming year.
(And don't go whining that the Donbass isn't Russia, so Ukraine wouldn't be invading Russia. It isn't Russia, but Putin would have reacted as if Russia had been invaded.)
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