Posted on 12/26/2022 7:43:26 PM PST by RomanSoldier19
Moscow's proposals for settlement in Ukraine are well known to Kyiv and either Ukraine fulfils them for their own good or the Russian army will decide the issue, TASS agency quoted Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying.
"Our proposals for the demilitarization and denazification of the territories controlled by the regime, the elimination of threats to Russia's security emanating from there, including our new lands, are well known to the enemy," the state news agency quoted Lavrov as saying late on Monday.
"The point is simple: Fulfil them for your own good. Otherwise, the issue will be decided by the Russian army."
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
Angela Merkel recently admitted the only reason the Minsk agreements were signed with Russia was to buy more time for Ukraine to prepare for war.
Zelensky is now getting what he and his corrupt warmongers have earned and richly deserved.
It is NOT unpatriotic for Americans to oppose intervention in the Ukrainian War which is NONE OF AMERICA’S BUSINESS.
The Russians have not attacked the United States. Ukraine has no strategic importance to America. Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Ukraine is NOT a democracy. Zelensky outlawed all opposition, shut down dissenting media, raided Orthodox churches and arrested those opposed to his dictatorship. The USA directly caused an overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine in 2014.
The blood of tens of thousands of Ukrainians is on the hands of American and Western European corrupt politicians who have been stealing from Ukraine for years.
Ukraine is internationally recognized as one of the most corrupt countries on the Earth.
The U.S. Congress RECENTLY refused to allow an audit of the billions of dollars it has allocated for Ukrainian assistance. Why would the crooks in Washington DC not want to reveal where the billions are going?
This war is a gigantic scam promoted by crooked politicians who do not care one iota about the people of Ukraine.
That’s a GREAT, and accurate, summary. If you don’t mind, I may re-post it in future Ukraine threads, as it saves me the trouble of having to keep repeating the history there, due to those who would like to re-write that history.
Good advice and I will try.
My concern has been some of it is so incredibly anti American I feel it really is damaging FR.
I guess it just upsets me to see arguments which are so unpatriotic.
The arguments of these guys are really creepy.
Hard to believe they believe it themselves, the way theyweave complex propaganda and never allow any facts to get in their way.
And they’ve got s lot of people here believing the true patriotic position is to curse America and praise Russia.
A lot of what they’re saying is patently ridiculous. All they have to do is cast Putin as the enemy of everything on the left, and they know certain people will gobble it up.
For example, the attack on globalism or the new world order.
Hard to imagine a more hard core globalism than what will be ushered in by Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and Syria.
But they have these idiots believing that the worst dictatorial villains on earth, are going to ride to the rescue of the Bill of Rights.
“Russia is a backwards, economic pipsqueak in comparison with the West.”
Yes, Russia failed to borrow so much money that they can’t pay it back, and is willing to exploit their natural resources.
We can’t pay our debts and refuse to exploit our natural resources. Our government corruption at all levels probably well exceeds Russia’s, which is quite an accomplishment. Socially, we both have our challenges, so I’d say we’re a draw there.
I think it’s safe to say that Russia will look like less of an economic pipsqueak in a few years than they appear now.
A Russia, willing to act in their own interests and with vast natural resources at their disposal that the world will eventually pay to access is, in fact, a impediment to the “great reset” as it has been described.
I think that when the EU figures out they’ve been had by the US, that will be the end of the EU and NATO.
I wish it didn’t appear so gloomy for Uncle Sam, but our folks in Washington are too busy raking in cash with both arms to care about anachronisms like patriotism and American Values.
Biden pushed the Ukrainians to provoke the Russian’s started the Ukrainian shelling in the eastern Russian territories that led to the Russian military action.
In February 2022 the mid-term election year.
As noted before Bill Clinton started the ball rolling towards this war in 1997 with his decision to expand NATO eastwards.
Notable among opponents George Kennan whose containment policy was adopted towards the Soviet Union back in the 1950’s.
Did Bill Clinton decide to start pushing Russia prodding Russia with a cigar in his mouth or with someone else’s mouth in his...?
“...is, in fact, a impediment to the “great reset” as it has been described.”
When people here deny that the Great Reset even exists, it shows that they have an agenda that goes far beyond ‘defending Ukraine’.
“My concern has been some of it is so incredibly anti American I feel it really is damaging FR.
I guess it just upsets me to see arguments which are so unpatriotic.”
I understand and agree. But, trust me the reputations of these antagonistic Freepers precede them. Wishing you a wonderful New Year :)
Title 42 is set to expire soon and a human tsunami is going to pour across the border and America as we once knew it will be over. Hate to bring her name up but Ann Coulter was right, "Adios America''.
Imagine spending all the money we’ve given to Ukraine on our borders.
“2- Do not post insults or personal attacks against your fellow FReepers.”
I agree.
However, the mods have been correctly removing comments that violate other Freepers.
Should have happened months ago. Those two areas have ALWAYS had special status.
“The hell with Russia.”
You probably are already aware that Russians fly to Mexico & pay a price to be escorted across U.S. southern border.
I don’t give a damn if Jesus Christ is coming across the border. I want it closed and Russia and Ukraine can kill each other off for all I give a rip.
Russians are literally drinking themselves to death.
“So what has Putin done to the New World Order in Ukraine?”
Of course, you are aware that Putin created the political ‘deep-state’ serviced by Russian agents within Ukraine. Which incidentally, President Zelenskyy and his Administration are removing.
If its about vital parts of Russia being in range of NATO attack - this war has royally pissed off the Poles, Baltics and Finns. All of whom are much closer to important parts of Russia than Ukraine. Finland is now NATO.
Russia is really, really stupid about foreign relations. I mean retard-level. There is not an ounce of perspective, of broader interests, in sight.
The problems are solved in order of appearance. I agree that the proper way is to create symmetric threats in the proximity of the US. It is going to boil down to it anyway.
Interesting article at #65. Thank you for posting.
You mean after WW2. Truman cut the US military to much lower levels than today. There were only four aircraft carriers in commission.
In plain numbers and “nameplate” tech, I cant answer for readiness, the USAF and USN are far more than a match for the Chinese.
Only a war will reveal the true state of affairs, of course. There hasnt been a real aero-naval war with the highest available tech applied since WW2.
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