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Is This Winning? Western leaders can no longer hide the truth about Ukraine.
The American Conservative ^ | December 19, 2022 | George D. O’Neill Jr.

Posted on 12/19/2022 6:35:41 AM PST by NorseViking

Recently, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen carelessly revealed the devastating cost of the Ukraine war.

“It is estimated that more than 20,000 civilians and 100,000 Ukrainian military personnel have died to date,” she said. The comment drew sharp backlash and the E.C. later deleted the comments from video recordings of the address. The censorship was left unexplained and demonstrated the confusion of the purveyors of the approved narrative.

If Von der Leyen’s estimate is true, that is nearly ten times the number of dead Ukrainian soldiers reported by the Ukrainian government. The E.C. president’s remark shows that even the strongest backers of this bloody and unnecessary war can no longer hide the truth: Ukraine is at risk of losing.

The mainstream media and the Biden administration insist ad nauseam that Ukraine is winning against Russia. But the facts on the ground do not fit the narrative and the administration and media know it. The war hawks know their cynical Ukraine policy has not succeeded in driving Russia out of Ukraine. Tragically, the Ukrainians are the ones who suffer the immense cost of this foreign policy failure. Their nation is ruined for the sake and at the instigation of the globalist American empire.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

A horrible analysis. Bottom line is we are broke and sending billions we don’t really have to a corrupt Ukrainian regime. All while failing to secure our own borders.

Your message implies that there is some imperative reason for the USA and EU to protect criminal endeavors throughout Ukraine. I prefer to avoid that paradigm for one that is simply, “not America’s problem. We need to concentrate on America. We’re burning”.


121 posted on 12/19/2022 8:13:56 AM PST by Codeflier (My voting days are over. Let it burn...give the people what they want good and hard. )
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To: NorseViking

Who cares as long as the democrat money laundering scheme remains in place.


122 posted on 12/19/2022 8:17:17 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: freeandfreezing
Here we go with the "she meant to say". How do you know?

The original Ukrainian source document given to the EU said over 100,000 "officials" killed, which means total troops in the Ukrainian language, but this was mis-translated into English as "officers." It didn't surprise me that the stupid Ursula didn't catch this.

123 posted on 12/19/2022 8:17:51 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: realcleanguy

You do realize we lost in Afghanistan right?


124 posted on 12/19/2022 8:19:52 AM PST by Codeflier (My voting days are over. Let it burn...give the people what they want good and hard. )
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
with Elon Musk imploding

I must have missed that part.

125 posted on 12/19/2022 8:20:37 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Codeflier
“not America’s problem. We need to concentrate on America. We’re burning”

Amen.

126 posted on 12/19/2022 8:22:30 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Never heard of that report. What does it say or imply?


127 posted on 12/19/2022 8:27:02 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Phoenix8

Agreed.
Of course ... some very entrenched people had different ideas, and that factored into the 2020 election corruption.


128 posted on 12/19/2022 8:29:15 AM PST by Honest Nigerian
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To: AZJeep

“Of course, Ukrainians suffer a lot in this war. Ruzzies are destroying the infrastructure, people get killed and maimed.
But they want the FREEDOM!
Like Patrick Henry.
Give me freedom or give me death!”
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What “freedoms” exactly was Russia denying them other than the freedom to join NATO and setup NATO bases on Ukraine territory? I swear some of you are just so brainwashed it’s pathetic.


129 posted on 12/19/2022 8:29:41 AM PST by jimwatx
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To: NorseViking
The neocons supporting this war are nothing less than evil.

A key take from the article:

It didn’t have to be this way. Ukraine and Russia could have made a lasting peace deal if it weren’t for the meddling of the Globalist American Empire. In March of 2022, the two sides appeared to be close to agreeing on terms to settle the conflict. It appeared that the agreement would assure Ukraine would never join NATO. The NATO issue is the biggest in this whole affair. The United States and United Kingdom thwarted this deal and the war has continued since, killing tens of thousands of Ukrainians, Russians, and others. Their blood is on the hands of U.S. and U.K. leaders.

130 posted on 12/19/2022 8:29:55 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan

Drivelous neo isolationist balderdash


131 posted on 12/19/2022 8:31:04 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

Why worry?
The Taliban already kicked our ass courtesy of feckless father of Hunter.


132 posted on 12/19/2022 8:32:16 AM PST by Honest Nigerian
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To: sauropod

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133 posted on 12/19/2022 8:32:23 AM PST by sauropod (Fascists also buy Comcast cable packages" - Olby - Wanna buy mine?)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Just wait. Sanctions have trashed Russias economy. This winter will be brutal for them.


134 posted on 12/19/2022 8:36:22 AM PST by DownInFlames (P)
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To: NorseViking

Sucks to be them.

Ukrainians are expendable in the context of the greater war to reset western culture.


135 posted on 12/19/2022 8:36:41 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Krosan

“The American Conservative magazine has always been extremely isolationist.”
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Not wanting to engage in endless neocon wars that accomplish nothing and that are bankrupting our country with debt is “isolationist”? If so then consider me a proud isolationist. Our war mongers are leading us to financial ruin in case you haven’t noticed.


136 posted on 12/19/2022 8:41:11 AM PST by jimwatx
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To: Phoenix8

“ If Trump would have been potus I’d bet money he would have figured out a deal to avoid this war.”

Being this entire fiasco is a giant money making operation for weapons manufacturers, and a ginormous money laundering operation for the politically connected, this is probably one of the main reasons among many that they executed a coup in the first place


137 posted on 12/19/2022 8:41:20 AM PST by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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To: NorseViking
Also the GPS guided missiles have very limited applications

Every russian headquarters, ammo depot or staging area behind the front lines. Okay

138 posted on 12/19/2022 8:43:28 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: jimwatx
Our war mongers are leading us to financial ruin in case you haven’t noticed.

US spending is out of control but quich reality check. Ukraine last year got 100 billion out of a total US spending of 6.6 trillion. Peanuts

139 posted on 12/19/2022 8:45:22 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: DesertRhino

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

2019 RAND Corporation Paper Sought to “Exploit Armenian-Azeri Tensions” to “Extend Russia”

The RAND Corporation Paper titled, “Extending Russia,” lists many options the US has clearly attempted to execute since.

Regarding Azerbaijan and Armenia specifically, in Chapter 4 titled, “Geopolitical Measures,” the RAND paper states (emphasis added):

“This chapter describes six possible U.S. moves in the current geopolitical competition: providing lethal arms to Ukraine, resuming support to the Syrian rebels, promoting regime change in Belarus, exploiting Armenian and Azeri tensions, intensifying attention to Central Asia, and isolating Transnistria (a Russian-occupied enclave within Moldova).”

🇦🇲🇦🇿 2019 RAND Corporation Paper Sought to “Exploit Armenian-Azeri Tensions” to “Extend Russia”

The RAND Corporation Paper titled, “Extending Russia,” lists many options the US has clearly attempted to execute since.

Regarding Azerbaijan and Armenia specifically, in Chapter 4 titled, “Geopolitical Measures,” the RAND paper states (emphasis added):

“This chapter describes six possible U.S. moves in the current geopolitical competition: providing lethal arms to Ukraine, resuming support to the Syrian rebels, promoting regime change in Belarus, exploiting Armenian and Azeri tensions, intensifying attention to Central Asia, and isolating Transnistria (a Russian-occupied enclave within Moldova).”


140 posted on 12/19/2022 8:45:30 AM PST by Cathi
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