Posted on 12/13/2022 8:28:46 AM PST by karpov
GOP backing for former President Donald Trump’s third consecutive White House bid has fallen apart over the past several months, with most Republican voters saying they’d prefer another candidate to carry on his policies in 2024, according to a poll released Tuesday.
While 31% of Republican and Republican-leaning independents want Trump, 76, to run again in two years, 61% say they would rather have another GOP standard-bearer, the USA Today/Suffolk University survey found.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, 44, is their preferred choice.
DeSantis, who cruised to re-election Nov. 8, leads Trump by 23 percentage points — 56% to 33% — in a head-to-head primary matchup, the poll shows.
Nearly two-thirds of Republican and GOP-leaning voters (65%) say the governor should run for the White House in 2024, with just 24% saying he shouldn’t.
“Republicans and conservative independents increasingly want Trumpism without Trump,” David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center, told USA Today.
Trump, who is facing state and federal investigations over his efforts to overturn the 2020 election and for keeping classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort, has seen enthusiasm among Republicans for a third White House try plummet in recent months, falling from 60% support in July to 56% in October to 47% now.
The former president has also seen his favorability rating fall among the Republican faithful — skidding from 75% in October to 64% in December.
In a hypothetical 2024 matchup, Trump lags behind President Biden by 47% to 40%, the poll found.
But DeSantis tops Biden 47% to 43% in a hypothetical 2024 election matchup.
The survey also showed that Biden’s approval rating has improved slightly, climbing a point to 46% from October, while his unfavorable rating fell a point to 50%.
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And if DeSantis tried to force MAGA policies, he will get the ‘Trump treatment’.
DeSantis has shown himself willing to fire people who get in his way.
Trump, despite his famous "You're fired!" catchphrase was very reluctant to fire anyone, even at great cost to his policy visions.
Indeed, most of the very few people he fired were the MAGA people who helped get him to the White House, and people like Scotty Pruitt who were actually doing their job draining the swamp.
Which brings me to another point, the "Trump treatment." Trump was always trying to please people who hated his guts, whether the liberal opposition ("I can't fire Fauci. Liberals would be angry.") or the Deep State swamp creatures he surrounded himself with once he arrived in Washington.
The same Deep State swamp creatures who didn't want him to be president in the first place, worked to undermine his agenda and stabbed him in the back when Trump was getting beat up.
Obama had Holder as his wingman. Trump didn't have anyone, except Jeff Sessions who recused himself when Trump most needed him. Nobody has his back because he surrounded himself with people who were perfectly happy to see him fail.
Will DeSantis have the same problem? Only if, like Trump, he surrounds himself with people who want him to lose while trying to please people who will never like him.
I don't see DeSantis doing this. Trump needed his ego stroked. DeSantis doesn't seem to.
Oh please. If you're going to make it, do you have ANY evidence to support that?
Because if you don't, you're making a claim that can NEVER be proven, which is, well, lazy.
Boebert may be the only exception. I wish I could believe MTG is one too but her support for McCarthy makes me suspicious.
Yeah, riiiight.
You can’t move on from Trump. He is the real deal.
It is not possble for DeSaintUs to run against Trump.
170,162 to 88,189 - she almost doubled the Democrat turnout.
You have to remember that ballots cost money, and they don't have enough money to manufacture ballots everywhere.
This is why they had trouble in California and New York - because they let the local machinery take care of the turnout, and the red wave actually leaked out into sight [all of Long Island went Pubbie, and the California Pubbies won all their races, with maybe a pickup of one or two new US House seats].
The Dems were spending money on US Senate races, and certain other races to make Trump & MAGA look bad.
He is not going to lose a primary. LOL!!!
In 2020 Trump earned more popular votes than any Republican presidential candidate in United States history with 74.2 million popular votes. He also received more popular votes in 2016 than any other Republican. He out performed the 62.9 million votes he received in 2016 by 11 million.. Romney received 60.9 million in 2012. McCain received 59.9 million in 2008. George W. Bush received 62.0 million popular votes in 2004, and 50.4 million in 2000.
Biden ostensibly achieve 81.3 million votes in 2020. If Paul Ryan truly believes the 2020 election counts for both candidate were 100% accurate and not impacted by cheating, if Trump had not run for reelection in 2020, what Republican does Ryan believe could have earned enough votes to beat Biden? What Republican does Ryan believe can even beat Trumps 2020 74 million total in 2024 if Trump is not the nominee.
Does Ryan not realize that if Trump is cheated by the party establishment of the 2024 nomination, the conservative base will stay home and the establishment nominee (Pence, Haley, Pompeo, Hogan, etc) will receive far fewer popular votes than Trump did in 2000 or 2024? Ryan is either delusional or is already rooting for a Democrat winning in 2024 no matter who the Republicans nominate.
--Soul of the South
Dittos. The TDS coming from the right is galvanizing Trump's support.
After what they did in 2020 and 2022, how can you say “no way”?
He’s lost the building pool vote!!! LOL!!!!
The only people who were offended by that are people who are too dumb to have a sense of humor.
I know we shouldn’t judge books by covers but, Fury? Im seeing a lot of Tik Tok fury videos on Telegram and Truth Social. Now I wonder if any of them are you.
Let’s turn the TDS up to 11 in Banana Republicans:
Trump 2023
1. Can Trump win, probably not. Will DeSantis win, only if the uniparty decides he should.
You offered no logical basis for asserting that is true for DeSantis, but not true for Trump. FWIW, I believe there is a zero percent chance the "uniparty" would prefer either of those two over the Democrat nominee. So in that respect, there is no difference between the two although I do believe it much more likely that DeSantis can win simply because he hasn't yet alienated permanently so many swing (and even some Republican) voters.
2. Governors have more influence/power than a president because they are closer to the people.
I honestly don't understand the logic of why how close you are to the people equates to power. A county commissioner is even closer to the people than is a governor, but nobody would argue they're actually more powerful than is a President. And hell, if that's really the case, why doesn't Trump just run for township trustee somewhere that he can have real power?
3. Governors can protect the people from the federal government. Governors can refuse federal money and run the state the way they want.
I'll start off by stating the obvious -- a governor can only do that for one single state, whereas a President is impacting all 50. But beyond that, what you said is only true in limited contexts like the police power. But in most cases, especially given the scope of the commerce clause, the Feds most often get their way. For example, states did have the right to refuse the extra Medicaid money and not expand it for ObamaCare. But all the other provisions of ObamaCare were mandated and applied regardless of whether the state accepted money or not. And that applies to taxes, other commerce, etc..
I also think you massively underrate the power of administrative agencies, which are the true Deep State. They're what enable the federal government to keep expanding, and even to reverse policy, even when no new laws are passed. That's the precise area where Trump's lack of legal/regulatory knowledge, and lack of trustworthy subordinates, hurts the most. He can't (and didn't) fix it the first time because he didn't even understand how it worked. His lack of knowledge of the mechanics of government and the legal principles governing it was his worst flaw as President, and there is absolutely no reason to believe it would be any better the second time around.
5. Presidents do not write laws and need strong republican Congress members to do that. We don’t have that nor have we for decades.
First, as mentioned above, the President's power with respect to administrative/regulatory law is critical. So even without considering Congress, I would trust DeSantis more than Trump to get things done.
But I also think he'd get more things done with Congress as well. As Reagan proved, you don't have to have control of both houses of Congress to get things done, but you do have to have the ability to play well with others, build relationships, and build coalitions for particular issues.
Trump -- and a lot of his supporters -- appear to think that it is funny as hell when he attacks and alienates people in Congress he doesn't like. But where does that actually get you?? Not everyone in Congress is an ideologue. A lot of them are comparatively squishy, and can be swung on occasion with strong personal relationships, etc.. But when you've almost deliberately pissed off on a personal level 3/4 of Congress...of course you're not going to get much done.
I don't see a universe where Trump gets re-elected, but even if he does, I don't think he'll be able to get much done because 1) he still doesn't understand how government works, and 2) he's pissed off most of the people with whom he'd have to work to get those things done.
Even if that were true...so what? People who have no "sense of humor" (as you are defining it) still get to vote, and their vote counts just as much as does yours. So whether you agree with the reasons they vote the way they do or not...you've still lost those votes.
I registered as a Republican when I turned 18 in the early 1980’s and was a solid R vote up until 2008. Right now I am still registered as a Republican for local elections. On the national level I am purely an Independent, the GOP left me heading left and their establishment only wants my $ and vote, otherwise it is shut the hell up you’re embarrassing me in front of my Democrat friends.
So I pick which elections I will vote in based on the candidate, but a straight R vote and ha! $ to the GOP—so not happening. I refuse to accept their abuse anymore, to hell with them. They have to earn my vote with deeds, no more promises, they are liars.
And if republicans run anyone other than Trump they absolutely won’t win. I have voted in every single election since the 60s but I’m done voting for establishment picks. And yes, DeSantis is establishment or Ryan wouldn’t be out there pushing him like a drug peddler
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