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Can red states overcome their hatred of California and embrace electric cars?
The Los Angeles Times via MSN ^ | December 12, 2022 | by Noah Bierman

Posted on 12/12/2022 6:49:51 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

This industrial city an hour north of Indianapolis isn't as famous as Detroit, but it has become an unlikely battleground in the war over electric cars.

Almost everyone you meet here either works in a factory, is retired from one or has a relative in a plant that makes parts for gasoline-powered cars — which have ruled Kokomo for nearly 130 years.

Yet change is coming. Bulldozers are clearing Kokomo’s cornfields to build a $2.5-billion government-subsidized electric vehicle battery factory, with the aim of retaining jobs tied to auto production at a time California is leading the nation in phasing out gas-powered engines.

Environmentalists, along with industry and government leaders, see a transformation afoot after decades of false starts. They have acknowledged, however, that they can’t complete the shift if electric cars are viewed as something only for rich liberals in California and New York. They need everyone.

The uneasy reception to EVs in Indiana — in a national climate that includes Republican lawsuits against California's new emissions rules and televised warnings that they represent an attack on freedom — suggests that the country remains divided over embracing a technology that environmentalists say is essential to combating climate change.

Indiana can feel like a tough place to own an electric car.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I can hate California without one thought about Electric Cars.
Ditto hating Electric Cars without a single thought of CA.


121 posted on 12/12/2022 11:03:06 AM PST by Feckless (The US Gubbmint / This Tagline CENSORED by FR \ IrOnic, ain't it?)
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To: cotton1706

You’ll need at least two generators. One
for the house, one for the car. Can’t
rely on your solar panels, they’ve been
blown off the roof and your battery banks
have been under water.


122 posted on 12/12/2022 11:24:44 AM PST by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: natalie227

>>>It will all work out.<<<

When? There are thousands of other things to “work out” before EVs are ready for mass adoption - if ever.


123 posted on 12/12/2022 11:26:51 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

A close relative is a VP for a major defense contractor. The US military is moving towards ev’s because they have many advantages over diesel. Whisper quiet, no heat signature and they can export energy
He is limited in what he can say but a long lifebattery, very long range and half the size or less of current batteries are being developed and tested and will filter down into the civilian side.


124 posted on 12/12/2022 11:46:07 AM PST by natalie227
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To: Gay State Conservative

That may leave Audi or VW as the options. I’ve always thought highly of the Jetta TDI.


125 posted on 12/12/2022 12:05:58 PM PST by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I don’t hate California.

I hate Liberal Californians.


126 posted on 12/12/2022 12:24:07 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: Tell It Right
I miss my contract work with FRA. The onboard condition monitoring equipment was created to help the coal car owners understand the causes of wear on their cars and enable them to schedule maintenance in their own shop instead of getting fixed on the road at whatever facility was closest. The system was self powered from a generator on one of the wheels. GPS tracked location. A 1xRTT CDMA modem on Verizon's network provided connectivity. Thermal and vibration sensors on the bearing detected pending faults with details down to a set of 55 possible defects. The cars were wirelessly networked with 802.11b with an OLSR mesh network to allow a train with 255 cars wrapped around a mountain to still propagate status to the locomotive engineer.

None of the matters if the coal cars aren't running. A follow-on project added automatic control of couplers, anglecock valves, handbrakes and auto-coupling with ECP braking. A brake piston position indication allowed automatic scan of the brake state to avoid dragging a car with the brake set. All of that technology was abandoned in a yard in Joliet, IL the morning after Obama was inaugurated.

127 posted on 12/12/2022 1:00:30 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Does that research apply for other types of cargo rail cars?


128 posted on 12/12/2022 1:08:40 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Will Californians ever pull their head out of their third point of contact?


129 posted on 12/12/2022 2:11:01 PM PST by vpintheak (Live free, or die!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Can red states overcome their hatred of California and embrace electric cars?"

I LOVE Kommiefornia.

It's the ANAL SPHINCTERS who live there that I can't stand.

131 posted on 12/12/2022 3:49:14 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Gay State Conservative

Then your own personal situation is one where an EV is not a useful tool or worth the expense.

My situation is different. I normally do 25-50 miles of driving per day, and it is 95% of my diving habits.

I do have other vehicles for longer trips.


132 posted on 12/12/2022 4:30:34 PM PST by jdsteel (PA voters elected a stroke victim and a dead guy. Not a joke.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

There is no “one size fits all”.

Sometimes you need a hammer, sometimes you need a screwdriver.

Some people need both, a few get by with neither.


133 posted on 12/12/2022 4:31:59 PM PST by jdsteel (PA voters elected a stroke victim and a dead guy. Not a joke.)
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To: natalie227

From what I’ve read, the Chi Coms are directing the serfs to purchase battery powered cars, recharged by coal fired power plants, and conserving petroleum for military usage.


134 posted on 12/12/2022 4:37:26 PM PST by nascarnation (Let's go Brandon!)
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To: Myrddin

So Caliph Baraq torpedo’d “smart” rail cars.

Interesting.

What you described is basically the setup used on race cars where parameters are telemetered to the pits for analysis basically in real time.


135 posted on 12/12/2022 4:40:24 PM PST by nascarnation (Let's go Brandon!)
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To: HamiltonJay
Ummmm... I really don’t give a crap how my car is “powered”... but you think I’m going to go to a vehicle with far lower range, and insanely large recharging times or cost differentials from what I currently have, you are fooling yourself.

Yep but it doesn't really matter. We'll have to buy an EV by 2030. If you can't afford one, use public transportation or hail uber.

136 posted on 12/12/2022 4:43:55 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

With good maintenance, an internal combustion car or truck can last a very long time.

Obviously the govt will be active in trying to “inspect” these vehicles off the road (safety/emissions), it may vary state by state.


137 posted on 12/12/2022 4:48:36 PM PST by nascarnation (Let's go Brandon!)
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To: nascarnation

Every military and defense contractor in the world is going EV even China. My relative came back from one of the largest arms show in the world, Dubai or Quatar. Ev’s are taking over. Too many advantages over diesel. He cannot tell me what they are working on but said car companies right now are using 3rd generation batteries They are working on 12 generation batteries and it will filter down into civilian use as always.


138 posted on 12/12/2022 4:49:21 PM PST by natalie227
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To: nascarnation
Obviously the govt will be active in trying to “inspect” these vehicles off the road (safety/emissions), it may vary state by state.

Eventually, they'll be off the roads. California is going after 18 wheelers. So right now you are seeing container ships shift to the ports on the East Coast. They still depend on diesel. You can't electrify 18 wheelers yet. Maybe in 20 years. But not now.

139 posted on 12/12/2022 4:53:26 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How well are the double the price of gas cars very expensive electric cars doing in the winter storms where you are stuck in traffic waiting on diesel powered snow plows to clear a path and you are freezing as you can not turn on the heat for long or you run out of “green energy”?

Assuming the electric car starts at all.


140 posted on 12/12/2022 6:09:25 PM PST by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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