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1 posted on 12/10/2022 8:20:59 AM PST by DFG
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From the article: ““This plan removes obstacles that currently exists for equitable care. Everyone gets the same benefit. No longer do some people get some things and other people don’t get other things,” he said.”

I posed this question to many proponents of universal health care:
given two systems.
In the first system everyone gets the same identical benefits.
In the second system some get more benefits than others but all receieve better/more benefits than anyone in the first system.
Which system do you prefer?

I’ve yet to get a concrete answer. Most reply that everyone will get better benefits in the first system than anyone in the second system because of (unicorn farts, etc., etc.)


2 posted on 12/10/2022 8:25:44 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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“This plan removes obstacles that currently exists for equitable care. Everyone gets the same benefit. No longer do some people get some things and other people don’t get other things,” he said

Working folks who pay for all of this get to pay for all of this. Lazy drug addicts living on the streets of Portland get the benefits. Very equitable.


4 posted on 12/10/2022 8:28:12 AM PST by artichokegrower
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"Everyone gets the same benefit." Everyone? tell the truth! Will the ruling elite get the same benefit as a rich politician or a "philanthropist"? Will the ordinary Joe Shmoe be treated as well as the owner of a huge company worth in the tens of billions?

I think what they mean is that ALL other health plans are canceled, and that you must get your insurance and care from the state system. And anybody who's working will be paying for pot-smoking maggot-infested loafers.

5 posted on 12/10/2022 8:31:07 AM PST by I want the USA back (Our news media isn't worth camel spit. Neither is the democrat party. )
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I stopped reading at “legislative task force presented a plan...”

Government screws up just about everything it does, so why should we expect this ‘plan’ to work?


6 posted on 12/10/2022 8:31:11 AM PST by Deo volente ("When we see the image of a baby in the womb, we glimpse the majesty of God's creation." Pres. Trump)
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another reason I support the secession of Oregon counties.


7 posted on 12/10/2022 8:31:21 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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Just more communism being shoved down people’s throats by elitists.

Here’s my universal health plan. Abolish health insurance, everyone pays cash and resumes caring about the price. After a person pays over $10,000 in a 12 month period they would be eligible for government subsidy for their excess medical costs.


8 posted on 12/10/2022 8:35:04 AM PST by devere
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If they do this, in spite of what they say, you can bet your butt the politicians won’t be standing in the same lines for hours as other people.

Need an MRI? Let’s see, how about the 2nd week in July?


9 posted on 12/10/2022 8:37:14 AM PST by libertylover (Our biggest problem, BY FAR, is that almost all of big media is agenda-driven, not-truth driven.)
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…and create a public system that would provide coverage for every person in the state.

I think Newsolini already has that scheme enacted. In fact the Kali plan covers everyone who slides across the border.

10 posted on 12/10/2022 8:38:31 AM PST by broken_clock (Go Trump! Still praying.)
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Romney Care. Trust me it sucks and is actually just another method of channeling more cash into State coffers.
12 posted on 12/10/2022 8:40:28 AM PST by Radix (The perfect Tag Line is recognized by its conciseness and brev)
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Extremely pleased I don’t live in Oregon.


13 posted on 12/10/2022 8:41:57 AM PST by upchuck (When you never took the vaccine or boosters: Still alive and healthy with no chance of side effects)
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Oregon , is that still a state I thought it was falling apart at the seams


16 posted on 12/10/2022 8:42:29 AM PST by butlerweave
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Any and all vaccines will be mandatory, yes?


17 posted on 12/10/2022 8:43:35 AM PST by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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Didn’t something similar go belly up in Vermont, Massachusetts and Tennessee? Probably elsewhere too!


18 posted on 12/10/2022 8:43:36 AM PST by Reily
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Wasn’t this tried in Massachusetts? Fail https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hbss-christensen-why-universal-health-care-failed-in-massachusetts/

Tried in Vermont? Fail

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/why-vermonts-single-payer-effort-failed-and-what-democrats-can-learn-from-it/2019/04/29/c9789018-3ab8-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html

Democrats only learn how to lie, cheat, steal and line the pockets of themselves and their friends, through ridiculous government programs, grants, charities and non-profits.


21 posted on 12/10/2022 8:44:49 AM PST by qaz123
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The death count and ill-health-count will go up significantly once they do that stupid idea.

Who in their right mind thinks stupid idiotic government is good at medicine or a good doctor? Government is not only stupid but has their own agenda which has nothing to do with your well-being but has everything to do with getting your money.


28 posted on 12/10/2022 9:06:52 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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Continuing to dig the hole deeper.


31 posted on 12/10/2022 9:20:46 AM PST by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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This is not a first. This has been tried before. But you’ve got to ask yourself a couple of questions:

This all comes down to cost. So what treatments are affordable and who makes the decisions as to their cost and probability? It can’t be doctors as unless they can lose money, they are full steam ahead. It can’t be politicians as they are still trying to keep their votes next time. It can’t be the patients as they will break the bank for their personal needs. There isn’t anyone that can be put in the “open” to take heat they will undoubtedly get. So it will have to be some bean counters hidden somewhere that can make decisions based strictly upon cost.

We are currently working with a system just like this that has the advantage of social security and Medicare funds to make it stay alive. It’s called the affordable care act (which isn’t).

Now the real trigger is when someone at 80 years old needs a procedure that the bean counters refuse because the patient isn’t worthy due to age, or other illness that might cut their lives short even by measuring it in years. If enough bean counters got a lousy lunch and have indigestion, how many patients will die since the counters are invisible but are the targeted passed along screw ups?

The worm can is open for business. It didn’t work before, it won’t again.

wy69


33 posted on 12/10/2022 9:36:25 AM PST by whitney69
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Sounds like it will also be the first “state” to require mandatory euthanasia to the sick and elderly. Way to go Snowflakes and Zeros. You ahos are on a roll.


34 posted on 12/10/2022 9:46:15 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Amerika! The whole world is watching and laughing their asses off. )
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Only someone with an IQ lower than about 40 believes this will actually work as advertised. Anyone else they says this will work is lying, hoping to get rich off it somehow.


35 posted on 12/10/2022 9:49:28 AM PST by GrumpyOldGuy
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From each according to his means and to each according to his need.

The only same in this is the equally watered down care. The big difference is of course nobody gets what they PAY for. The guy who pays all the bills gets the same as the guy who pays NOTHING at all.

Wonderful system eh?


39 posted on 12/10/2022 10:52:06 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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