Posted on 12/05/2022 9:38:01 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Former Vice President Mike Pence on Monday pushed back on former President Trump’s assertion that the Constitution should be disregarded to allow for him to return to the White House in the wake of new revelations about Twitter’s handling of a controversial story about Hunter Biden.
“I must tell you that I think that everyone that serves in public office, everyone that aspires to serve or serve again should make it clear that we will support and defend the Constitution of the United States,” Pence said on WVOC radio in Columbia, S.C., ahead of a visit to the state on Tuesday.
The former vice president, who has said he is contemplating a 2024 presidential bid, noted that every federal official takes an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.
Pence added that he believes he upheld his oath to defend the Constitution throughout his four years as Trump’s vice president, particularly in the final weeks of his term as Trump pressured him to reject the 2020 election results.
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It would seem the Constitution would not apply in that situation?
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Seems to me that if the rules and regulations weren't followed, or were perverted by dishonest execution, the statement is correct. That would be the the case because the conditions required by the regulations, articles, etc., have failed to occur if honest compliance with the rules governing their execution--such as security and impartiality--in fact failed to occur.
“So what does happen when one’s government has been overthrown in a coup instituted by traitors, cooperating with hostile foreign entities, to install their puppet as POTUS?
It would seem the Constitution would not apply in that situation?“
Correct. Check your premises. If your premises are true, your choices are war or submission.
But do take extra care to check your premises before you go and get yourself killed.
The only thing the Constitution says about appointing Presidents is that the State Legislatures appoint Electors, who then vote in the only Presidential election that exists under the Constitution.
You keep saying this like it's some great revelation. You say it over and over in your posts and I've never once disagreed with it. My point goes beyond that.
The appointed Electors did exactly that, on December 14, 2020. No state legislature, not Wisconsin, not Michigan, not Pennsylvania, Georgia, or Arizona disputed these appointments, which they had every right to do.
The state legislatures could claim in court that it's within their constitutional power to pick new electors based on new non fraudulent information. Or they could do nothing.
And then there's the case where the state legislatures using statute left the process of picking the electors up to the people of their state. In that case it would be the voters who could make the claim in court that they have the legal right, under the Constitution AND statue to have a revote.
They did in FL a couple of decades ago. I don't see their decision as being wrong.
The way this reads to me is that those who committed the fraud in the 2020 election are the ones who terminated “all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
You are correct. That is the simplest reading of the words. The logic and sentiment in the quoted statement are correct, and make a crucial point being stumbled over by others--in the case of the press, intentionally and desperately.
I associate myself with your remarks on this thread. Further, until a sufficient number of states are moved by an effectively organized conservative effort to clean the rot from state/local election processes, little if anything will change.
Not much, actually. Trump never even made the accusation of “fraud” in a court of law.
Lots of evidence was presented in five state legislatures. Then there was the AZ audit. You should go back and examine all the evidence.
Many have made the claim that no evidentiary hearings were allowed in court.I remember that there was only one evidentiary hearing and that was in NV.
I believe the courts didn't want to deal with it, so they made up procedure excuses for not hearing the evidence.
There’s a lot to learn from Florida 2000.
The Legislature was 1) in session, 2) ready, and 3) willing to appoint Republican electors. They didn’t have to, because the USSC seized a power it never had and ordered the counting to stop and thereby closing the election with Bush ahead.
Had the counting continued, Florida would have sent two slates of Electors to Congress and the country would have had an education in what the Constitution actually says.
There was zero chance Bush would not have come out of Congress as the President. There was a <50% chance, but non-zero, that Joe Lieberman would have been VP.
“Lots of evidence was presented in State Legislatures”
No, it wasn’t. Five state reps yelling in the street doesn’t count.
Please provide one example of an in-session State Legislature having one debate or hearing on this subject. You can’t, because none did. In fact Pennsylvania actually adjourned to prevent this from being brought to the floor.
So is Brett Samuels.
It wasn't much of all, actually. You can't even find hard copies of those case filings without significant hard digging. I know because I've tried. It's like they are trying to hide it all, because it's so insignificant, even shameful in some regards. They'd stick one toe in the water, whoops we lost, done here I guess.
I know they were in a rush, but I watched the testimony in Georgia for days, none of that material ever made it into any sort of lawsuit from Trump. They dismissed their own case the day before the trial, look it up! He simply had Giuliani going around on a PR campaign from state to state, more than putting together any sort of actual legal cases.
I forgave all this, and trusted when he wanted donations to keep fighting, that he was going to keep fighting after the election, which is what he was being told is how you'd have to file lawsuits regarding fraud, once you have standing for damages, again just as Lake is actually doing in AZ now. Nothing ever happened. He literally disappeared for a full year.
How would you feel if Lake did this? She went on TV complaining every day, then raised a bunch of money she said was going to be used to fight it in the courts, and secure elections, then took her money and vanished as soon as the election was certified, only to come back 2 years later and say a suspension of the Constitution is the only way to deal with it?
All aboard the bullsh## wagon, no need to read just follow what everyone else is saying and repeat
>>>Ref your: “Only revolution remains, and Trump’s flirtation with the idea is dangerous. It could be he’s starting to realize his chance to be elected in 2024 is dwindling fast, so a rehash of 2020 is his last and only hope.”<<<<
If this is indeed the case, he’s become desperate and deluded. As noted, there is no way of accomplishing what he calls for short of revolution. And no one is up for that. Why keep braying for what he clearly cannot have?
And if his chances for winning the general in 2024 are dwindling (and I believe they are) he very much has himself to blame. It’s stunts like this one that have caused them to dwindle. He just keeps shooting himself in the foot over and over, and handing grenades to his enemies. Flirting with the Q crowd, then attacking DeSantis right at the midterms, then the stupid Kanye stunt. Now this. What next? If this is 5D chess ... well, it’s way over my head.
What’s next? Clearly, fundraising for the revolution. Not that he would ever actually partake, himself. Just think January 6 on a grander scale. If that sounds harsh or unfair to some, I’d just say history has a way of repeating itself, and those who refuse to learn from it are doomed to repeat it.
True. Trump raised funds for the purpose of restoring electoral integrity (as I understood it), but didn’t actually do much of anything that I know of. I’ve seen a few Freepers who donated complain about it. I hope someone will correct me if I am mistaken.
DeSantis showed what could be done in Florida. And I want to learn more about the Republican who won a congressional seat in California against all odds by deciding to beat the Dems at their own mail-in ballot game. There are things we could accomplish even in blue states. And no, it won’t be perfect. But we’d better get busy.
I gather that all the folks fool enough to do anything beyond peaceful demonstrations are already dead (Ashli Babbitt) or locked up. And some who merely peacefully demonstrated are locked up.
I just can’t picture anyone giving this revolution a go. Sure, there are some big talkers on FR, but they’ve talked big for years. And stayed at their keyboards. The Q followers are sitting around waiting for the military to intervene, as they have for two years now. And will continue to wait, and wait, and wait.
Is anyone crazy enough to try Jan6 2.0? I certainly hope not.
Every time he does, I realize a bit more why I’d never vote
for him.
>> a suspension of the Constitution.
Yes, I believe he meant that, not a termination. You could bring it back after the installation.
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