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Elon Musk Takes on a Goliath
NYT ^ | NOVEMBER 29 2022 | By Andrew Ross Sorkin, Ravi Mattu, Bernhard Warner,

Posted on 11/29/2022 7:24:36 PM PST by SmokingJoe

The Twitter owner’s latest fight is a big one: the market dominance of Apple’s App Store.

Elon Musk has been unafraid of picking fights, whether with prominent politicians, political whistle-blowers or his own employees. But in taking on Apple on Monday, the Twitter owner was trying to start a brawl that could have ramifications stretching from Silicon Valley to Washington.

Mr. Musk complained that Apple had paused most of its advertising on Twitter, continuing his berating of companies that have done so. But it’s his allegation that Apple “threatened to withhold Twitter from its App Store but won’t tell us why” that could prove more important.

Apple is a major source of ad dollars for Twitter. It was the biggest advertiser on the platform in the year’s first quarter, spending $48 million, according to The Washington Post.

Mr. Musk’s App Store allegation resurrects a potent charge against Apple: that it has used access to millions of iPhone and iPad devices as a cudgel to extract more money from app makers. A key part of Mr. Musk’s plans for Twitter is collecting more revenue from subscriptions — but under Apple’s policies, up to 30 percent of those sales from iPhone users would go to Apple itself. (“Did you know Apple puts a secret 30% tax on everything you buy through their App Store?” Mr. Musk tweeted.)

But Mr. Musk has also pitched his complaint in bombastically broader terms, calling it “a battle for the future of civilization.” (Twitter’s former head of public safety, Yoel Roth, wrote in a recent Times guest essay that Apple’s and Google’s app stores do prohibit certain kinds of content, and that failure to adhere to those rules — including by allowing certain kinds of material on the Twitter app — “would be catastrophic” to Twitter’s business.)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0chat; apple; chat; chatforum; musk; newyorkslimes; twitter
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1 posted on 11/29/2022 7:24:36 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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Tucker did the humber on Apple tonight:


2 posted on 11/29/2022 7:27:26 PM PST by SmokingJoe ( )
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NYT should tell what abut the outcome of the match of David versus Goliath.

David picked up five smooth stones. Musk apparently has a couple.


3 posted on 11/29/2022 7:28:27 PM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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“Apple is a major source of ad dollars for Twitter. It was the biggest advertiser on the platform in the year’s first quarter, spending $48 million...”

Apple has no obligation, moral, ethical or legal to continue advertising on Twitter.


4 posted on 11/29/2022 7:28:32 PM PST by Round Earther
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>> bombastically broader terms, calling it “a battle for the future of civilization.”

‘bombastically’ used in a pejorative way — unlike the well-received hyperbolic threats of the ‘climate change’


5 posted on 11/29/2022 7:31:18 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SmokingJoe

He boned Lockheed, ULA and Boeing in the rocket biz with a vehicle that is without dispute now the world leader.

He boned GM, Ford and all of Japan & Germany with the most successful new motor/fuel technology introduction in 100 years.

His satellite constellation is already doing well in a space that nobody in the telecom biz thought could ever work after the failure of Globalstar and Iridium.

The fading, aging has been operation known as the rotting Apple should be very, very nervous.


6 posted on 11/29/2022 7:31:34 PM PST by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: Round Earther

But as a duopoly over a critical service with Google it does at the very least have an obligation to treat Twitter fairly with regards to App Store access (they had no problem with hosting Truth Social and a bunch of other similar apps not to mention preMusk twitter when it was hosting illegal porn and violence but suddenly twitter is a problem) or we should look seriously whether we should allow them to keep having this level of control over us.


7 posted on 11/29/2022 7:32:49 PM PST by jarwulf
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NYT is not an independent misinformation source.


8 posted on 11/29/2022 7:33:26 PM PST by Paladin2
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All the lib tw**s, uh tweeters would rather it be destroyed than allow actual factual conversations and opposing view points to be presented. They can phu cough!


9 posted on 11/29/2022 7:36:08 PM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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Apple has no obligation, moral, ethical or legal to continue advertising on Twitter.

True.
But that is a different matter from banning Twitter from the app store cause Musk promotes free speech.
Apple should not complain when the same thing that happened to Disney happens to them. Musk has 120 million very loyal followers on Twitter, who are busy trashing Apple as we speak.

10 posted on 11/29/2022 7:40:07 PM PST by SmokingJoe ( )
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To: Regulator
He boned Lockheed, ULA and Boeing in the rocket biz with a vehicle that is without dispute now the world leader.

He boned GM, Ford and all of Japan & Germany with the most successful new motor/fuel technology introduction in 100 years.

His satellite constellation is already doing well in a space that nobody in the telecom biz thought could ever work after the failure of Globalstar and Iridium.

The fading, aging has been operation known as the rotting Apple should be very, very nervous.

All true. Good post.

11 posted on 11/29/2022 7:46:40 PM PST by SmokingJoe ( )
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12 posted on 11/29/2022 7:47:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Apple Twitter Tesla Amazon Google Facebook and Microsoft are not real companies. They are NGOs. Which is to say they are supported by our federal government like Freddy Mac or Fanny Mae. But they are not obeying the laws or restrictions of a government department. They are outside the government but they are controlled by the government. They have grown without profits and they have not had the constraints of other companies because our government loved their spying capability. They loved their tracking of people and the satellites of Spacex which produces a communications network everywhere in the world even over Russia, even over China. These companies allow our swamp to spy on us and the world without “breaking the law”. They are as illegal as those crossing the Reo Grande.


13 posted on 11/29/2022 7:58:50 PM PST by poinq
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These are the generals (Trump, Musk, DeSantis, Paul, and more on the way) who are calling up troops to do battle against our common enemies: outrageous and unconstitutional government, woke culture, moral idolatry, deep state corruption, atheist mainstream churches, the MSM, Marxist university culture, the Democrat progressive party, the FED, woke industry, and more....


14 posted on 11/29/2022 8:04:32 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Seek refuge in Christ. He is your sword and shield.)
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To: frank ballenger

Your post is priceless.


15 posted on 11/29/2022 8:09:11 PM PST by healy61
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To: Round Earther

So, Apple is against Twitter allowing more free speech?
I am glad I never buy i-Phones. Overpriced useless toys.


16 posted on 11/29/2022 8:11:54 PM PST by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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Apple Twitter Tesla Amazon Google Facebook and Microsoft are not real companies. They are NGOs. Which is to say they are supported by our federal government like Freddy Mac or Fanny Mae.

Nonense.

They have grown without profits

Apple, Google and Microsoft are about the most profitable companies in history.
Why do you constantly keep posting this nonsense?

17 posted on 11/29/2022 8:13:15 PM PST by SmokingJoe ( )
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Musk has 120 million very loyal followers on Twitter, who are busy trashing Apple as we speak.

Google is hardly a friend. Neither is Microsoft. Neither is Meta/Facebook. I don't know if there is a space for Musk to carve out a major phone player. I bought a Pine Phone (Linux). Not ready for Prime Time.
18 posted on 11/29/2022 8:13:42 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (What was 35% of the Rep. Party is now 85%. And it’s too late to turn back—Mac Stipanovich )
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To: entropy12

“So, Apple is against Twitter allowing more free speech?”

It appears that Apple is exercising its own free speech by not advertising on Twitter.


19 posted on 11/29/2022 8:17:13 PM PST by Round Earther
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To: SmokingJoe

David won.


20 posted on 11/29/2022 8:19:29 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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