Ukraine Makes US and NATO Run Out of Weapons

Firstpost via Youtube ^ | 11/28/22 | Staff

[Its All Over Except ...]

Kyiv relies entirely on its allies for weapons. That’s not a position any country fighting a war for its existence should be in – relying on others for its defense needs. NATO was unprepared for a big war, especially with Russia.

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[adorno]

If that’s the case, the U.S. was/is ill-prepared for war, if they needed to go to war. And then, the Europeans too? Apparently, nobody was expecting any kind of long-draw-out conflict or war.

Somebody has been very neglectful, and the enemies are taking note. China and Iran and N.Korea and Venezuela and Cuba and Afghanistan, could not hope for a better situation than then one the U.S. and its allies find themselves in.

Ukraine is just a regional conflict, and a world war would deplete all the weapons of the western countries in a matter of weeks.

[AnthonySoprano]

[cp124]

Maybe Afghanistan will let us borrow some.

[AnthonySoprano]

[Its All Over Except ...]

1.) Europe needs to form its own unified European military and deal with Russia, leaving us out of this.

2.) Or NATO can just surround Ukraine as Putin isn’t dumb enough to go outside Ukraine.

3.) Defend our borders, not Ukraine’s.

[jdsteel]

The largest foreign contributor, by far, has been Russia.

After the Russians run away and leave stuff behind.

[Its All Over Except ...]

You still hitting the sauce?

Don’t bother answering as I have no time for your subterfuge.

[Its All Over Except ...]

That’s an ok cope but you can do better.

[Paul R.]

For the most part (per extensive discussions on FR), HIMARS, M777, etc., would not be likely to be particularly useful in a dustup with China. And in Korea, S. Korea is pretty well to the point of being able to handle the North... except for Kimmy’s nukes....

I’d also note that so far we have sent well under 10% of our HIMARS, and those sent ARE reducing future need for HIMARS to take out Russian weapons.

[mylife]

yeah, escalate things /s

[Paul R.]

Research the actual numbers of HIMARS and M777’s sent and in inventory, plus expected production / deliveries for 2023. Plus, those systems were / are primarily intended for use in the European theater. Likely Asian conflicts would lean heavily to air and sea power. Even our current dolts are not dumb enough to get in a war on the Chinese mainland.

[freeandfreezing]

How is the opinion of a couple of TV producers in India worth thinking about? They don't seem to have any information not readily available to any of us.

They do however seem to think that the US and European nations have a limited capacity to build arms. That's a strange theory given that the USA and Europe both have very large defense industries.

[oldvirginian]

“Putin has also died of 7 different diseases.”

But I thought he had been taken out in one of the dozen coups the resident Zeepers have been babbling about.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

What aircraft or tanks have we given the Ukraine?

[EEGator]

He brushed off being shot, stabbed, poisoned, and drowned.
He’s tougher than even Rasputin...

[freeandfreezing]

China and Iran and N.Korea and Venezuela and Cuba and Afghanistan...

Do you realize how dumb it is to list Venezuela, Cuba, and Afghanistan as "enemies" who somehow would be advantaged because the USA has shipped less than 10% of our HIMARS artillery to Ukraine?

What is Cuba going to do? Launch an amphibious invasion of Florida?

What is Afghanistan going to do? Send their navy out to attack our carriers and submarines?

Right now both China and Iran have full scale riots and protests against their governments. That's a bigger problem for them than the USA having a few less obsolete missiles and a few less HIMARS rockets.

[oldvirginian]

👍

[jdsteel]

It’s absolutely true.

[adorno]

What is Cuba going to do? Launch an amphibious invasion of Florida?

Do you realize how dumb you sound?

When a country, such as the U.S. has enemies all over the world, and anyone of those could not do the job of taking on the U.S. alone...

then...

they would have to form alliances to work together and become ONE BIG enemy force.

The U.S. or England or France or Italy, could not take on the Germans, they banded together to form a giant force that did eventually defeat the Germans. Also, Mussolini and Hitler were kind of allied in taking on all the western countries, and don't forget that Japan also joined in to try take down the U.S.

Cuba or Venezuela alone could not take on the U.S., and nobody said that. But, don't forget that Russia is still allied with both those nations, and China could be counted on to join them if it came to war against the U.S.

When enemies combine, they are far deadlier than each one alone.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

Do you realize how dumb you sound?

Oh boy....

Okay, exactly where do you anticipate we'd be needing HIMARs against your China/Cuba/Venezuelan combined force? An invasion of Texas?

Do you think our Navy and Air Force would just let the Chinese land there?