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Ukraine readies for cold, dangerous chapter in Russian war
The hill ^ | 11/20/2022 | Laura Kelly

Posted on 11/20/2022 12:59:09 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27

Snowfall across Ukraine is signaling the official arrival of winter, setting up a dangerous chapter in the war with Russia as Moscow targets Ukraine’s power and energy supplies to deprive the country of heat and electricity.

Anna Grigolaya, the operations manager in the city of Dnipro for the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (JDC), said the situation will be critical for millions of Ukrainians suffering through more regular and sustained blackouts.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: allin; angryneocons; cold; commietrolls4putin; communism; dangerous; irishcommunist; putinholsters; putinsbuttboys; putinsbuttkissers; russian; soviettrollsonfr; sparkbot; thesparkbot; theusualsuspects; ukraine
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To: ought-six
Ukraine posed no threat to Russia

Sparky, the concept of a proxy war with NATO related to expansion has been explained to you for 6 months, yet you remain ignorant. I'm going to chalk this up to some form of learning disorder perhaps exacerbated by vaxxines and boosters. Whatever it is, please seek help.

61 posted on 11/20/2022 2:35:39 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: PGR88

“Fake news. It was elements of the coup-plotters, the Right Sektor.”

Link, please.


62 posted on 11/20/2022 2:36:45 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Fai Mao
"If Xiden is for Ukraine, I want them to lose."

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An excellent way to summarize the situation. Ukraine should never have allowed itself to become Biden's puppet. They are going to be totally destroyed unless they surrender soon.

63 posted on 11/20/2022 2:38:15 PM PST by Neanderthal (Let's go, Brandon!)
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To: cranked

“neo-Banderist” is idiotic. It’s meaningless in any context outside internal Russian propaganda, and I suspect very little even there. It has no emotional resonance. Why you weirdos insist on that, I don’t know.


64 posted on 11/20/2022 2:40:01 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

“neo-Banderist” is idiotic

Get your shat straight, kthx.

I said Banderist neo-Nazi supporter and sympathizer.
That which you and your cohorts are. FACT.

That which I have shown you time and time again, while you all continue to walk around in denial with your heads stuck up your collective arses. FACT.


65 posted on 11/20/2022 2:43:39 PM PST by cranked
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To: JonPreston

But it was Russia that started the “proxy war”, in an act of transcendental stupidity. Ukraine was never going to try take Belgorod or Rostov. Ukraine had no strategic weapons and still doesn’t. If Russia had stayed on its side of the border all Ukraine would have done is join the EU, which was the actual casus belli in 2014, note well.


66 posted on 11/20/2022 2:45:07 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ought-six

“And you know that it was Russia’s pool boy in Ukraine, Yanukovych, who ordered security forces to fire on demonstrators in Kyiv in late, 2013, right?”

Actually, it was Eric CIAramella. He of “Impeach Trump whistle blower” fame. Aka, “He who must not be named.” Remember? He’s CIA, field ops, was there in Ukraine during the 2015 State Department coup. CIAramella recruited the snipers and ran the ops.

The reason they went nuts over not revealing who he is, is because of his sniper ops in 2014. That launched the whole thing. And if Ukrainians find out...

Ooops!


67 posted on 11/20/2022 2:50:29 PM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (I was so afraic of him coming in the shower with me I would wait until later in the night” Ashley B)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“When you’re dumb, you gotta be tough.”


68 posted on 11/20/2022 2:51:08 PM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (I was so afraic of him coming in the shower with me I would wait until later in the night” Ashley B)
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To: cranked

What does “neo Banderist” even mean?
I could call myself a “neo-Aranist” with some truth, but nobody could expect you to process that. These things are total inside baseball.


69 posted on 11/20/2022 2:51:25 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: JonPreston

“Sparky, the concept of a proxy war with NATO related to expansion has been explained to you for 6 months, yet you remain ignorant.”

If NATO is in fact at war with Russia via proxy (and a proxy war is, in fact, a war), then why hasn’t Russia attacked NATO? You know damn well Ukraine was not going to become a NATO member: It has failed to meet the criteria. Has it cooperated with NATO? Yes. As have other non-NATO countries. Hell, even RUSSIA has cooperated with NATO when it suited its (Russia’s) purposes. But cooperation alone provides NO security guarantees for Ukraine (and it is those security guarantees that are the sine qua non of the NATO charter).

So, tell me again about this terrible threat to Russia by what you and other anti-Ukraine posters have described as a bankrupt and impoverished and corrupt welfare state that has no air force to speak of, no navy to speak of, no strategic weaponry, and only occasional electricity?


70 posted on 11/20/2022 2:52:45 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: JAKraig
Putin is a war criminal.

Be careful with that tag.   How many US Presidents would be comparable to what President Putin has done?

All that President Putin has done, our country goaded him into as an excuse to destroy Russia for The Great Reset.

71 posted on 11/20/2022 2:56:36 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: cranked

Anyway, everyone near Russia doesn’t like Russia. The nearest like them least. The Swedes and Finns had no “Banderist” thoughts, they have their own legitimate fears, and citing that to them will just leave them puzzled. As it should me, a Spanish Basque.


72 posted on 11/20/2022 3:00:48 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Do you have a credible source for that? I’d like to read it.


73 posted on 11/20/2022 3:03:49 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: buwaya

Excuse me, I don’t talk to foreigners.


74 posted on 11/20/2022 3:07:10 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: ought-six
It can end right now if Russia withdraws from Ukraine and ends its invasion.

You think Kiev will quit killing East Ukrainians of the independent Republics of Donetsk, Luhansk? They haven’t stopped for 8 years after the Revolution?
75 posted on 11/20/2022 3:07:17 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Chunga85

“When it sinks in for Europeans who it was that maliciously destroyed those pipelines and caused them so much harm they will have no choice but come to realize who their enemies are.”

So, who blew the pipelines? I mean, give us real evidence, not supposition and innuendo and wishful thinking.

If you know for certain, let’s hear it. And you can make a name for yourself by going on network TV shows, and make some big bucks as an analyst or expert.


76 posted on 11/20/2022 3:09:21 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: PIF
Right now, the people of Ukraine say it ends when all of Ukraine is free of Russia, including Crimea.

Not the Eastern and Southern Ukrainians. They will fight until Revolutionary Kiev no longer has the ability to kill them.
77 posted on 11/20/2022 3:10:29 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: dforest

No troll, it ends when your forces leave Ukraine.


78 posted on 11/20/2022 3:12:09 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: ought-six
If NATO is in fact at war with Russia via proxy (and a proxy war is, in fact, a war), then why hasn’t Russia attacked NATO?

Unwittingly, you just described Russia's proxy war with NATO. Keep trying Sparky, the light might come on.

79 posted on 11/20/2022 3:13:18 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: buwaya

“Russia is always, ever, about fists and threats and swindles, never grace, charity or generosity.”

It’s not in the Russian character. Russians have never been free; they have always been under some form of tyranny. Thus, they become bullies, and they take out their frustrations and false sense of worth on those smaller and weaker than they are.
And, like bullies everywhere, they pitch a crying fit when one of their victims dares to fight back.


80 posted on 11/20/2022 3:15:14 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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