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Is NATO hiding the truth behind Poland missile strike to avoid WW3? As Zelensky insists it WAS a Russian rocket, US and European officials also cast doubt over suggestion it was a Ukrainian weapon
UK Daily Mail ^ | November 17, 2022 | Chris Pleasance

Posted on 11/17/2022 3:25:38 AM PST by C19fan

Doubts have today been raised over whether a missile which hit Poland earlier this week really was a Ukrainian rocket gone haywire, with US and European officials calling for further investigation as President Zelensky continues to insist it was a Russian weapon.

Polish President Andrzej Duda and NATO leaders yesterday played down suspicions that Moscow was behind the S-300 missile which hit the town of Przewodow on Tuesday, killing two, insisting it was 'highly probable' that it had come from Kyiv's forces – meaning the allies will not respond militarily, which could have sparked WW3.

But President Zelensky yesterday insisted that he has 'no doubt that it was not our missile' based on military intelligence, and accused Ukraine's Western allies of blocking his investigators from inspecting the crash site or being part of the probe into exactly what had happened.

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To: CatHerd

Why do you think it is not the case this time?


61 posted on 11/17/2022 5:46:40 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: C19fan

The rocket which landed in Poland was Russian. The idiot Russian orc programmed in the latitude of Kyiv, Ukraine, but the longitude of Lviv, Ukraine. That’s reportedly where the missile landed.

From the discoverer:

https://youtu.be/pwXZcT4b5BU


62 posted on 11/17/2022 5:49:00 AM PST by nagant
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To: dennisw

Are you sure 300 pounds of TNT equivalent is a small charge?
Look at what remains out of Abrams tank after driving over IED with just 17 pounds. Hint: not much.


63 posted on 11/17/2022 5:49:53 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
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THIS LARGE CRATER is caused by a Russian cruise missile. The payloads on Ukraine interceptor missiles are too small. Interceptor missiles must move very fast. The cart behind the tractor got hit.

64 posted on 11/17/2022 5:50:26 AM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: NorseViking

What? I have said nothing about this time. Right now, it appears to have been launched by Ukrainians. Whether a goof or deliberate remains to be seen. It could be either. We may never know the full truth.


65 posted on 11/17/2022 5:51:14 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd

My point is that it was as deliberate as a Croatian thing.


66 posted on 11/17/2022 5:53:09 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

“… REMEMBER: Article 4 has been invoked several times in NATO’s history…”
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Well, Reverend Mother, I seem to recall YOU rapidly bringing up Article 5 in answer to this “RUSSIAN ATTACK” (LOL). You no doubt had visions of spreading MADNESS AND RAGE induced by the cacophonous pounding of the WAR DRUMS DEMANDING NATO ESCALATION AND INTERVENTION.

I’m so thankful that this AMATEURISH HOAX rapidly fell apart and failed to achieve its intended reactions. Now the back story being advanced is “well, it was simply an accident but it’s still Russia’s fault”.

Reverend Mother’s incredibly fast ARTICLE 5 post (#13 in the linked thread) follows the below hot link:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4109405/posts?page=11#11

Article 5 states:

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.


67 posted on 11/17/2022 5:53:33 AM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX.)
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To: dennisw

And the cart is still relatively intact after a direct hit? I’m not buying it.

Although missile craters can vary dramatically in size for various reasons (angle of impact, whether the warhead successfully triggered, etcetera), I’ve seen photos attributed to S300 missiles that were of a similar size as this one, so it’s not beyond the realm of possibility.


68 posted on 11/17/2022 5:58:54 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: NorseViking

It may have been. I’m not ready to call the old piece of junk crashing in Croatia deliberately ordered from on high, although I suppose it’s possible. Some goofball soldier may have fired it off wildly. It’s also possible the old hunk of Soviet junk that crashed in Poland was an oopsie. Some idiot trying to take down a Russian missile. Or it could have been a ploy by the Ukrainians to draw NATO in.

If the latter, it didn’t work. If proven deliberate, we will never hear about it, but NATO noses will be out joint and it will have backfired on the Ukrainians.

Weird things really do happen in wars. People do stupid and crazy things. I’m not ready to rule out stupid and crazy. I’m just keeping a question mark in my mind on this one.


69 posted on 11/17/2022 6:08:14 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: C19fan

They know what type of missile it was and where it came from. I’m betting it did not come from Russia. I’m also betting the deep state will fight acknowledging its origin. The globalists seem to have determined a world war will be good for the planet. They likely also believe it will go on around them while they remain safe in their enclaves. I believe that if this happens, their enclaves won’t be as safe as they imagine.


70 posted on 11/17/2022 6:09:25 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: Travis McGee
After the S-300 incident all Polish tractors now are covered by a NATO jet-fighter


71 posted on 11/17/2022 6:26:18 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

Haha! You win the thread. That was funny.


72 posted on 11/17/2022 6:27:37 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: C19fan

NATO is busy hiding the truth behind their repeated False Flag attacks everywhere.


73 posted on 11/17/2022 6:28:43 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: C19fan

My guess it was a U.S. air defense missile (provided by Joe Biden) fired by contractors or U.S. military personnel.


74 posted on 11/17/2022 6:34:38 AM PST by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: C19fan

IMO, the S-300 missile system is an AD SAM system.... ground to air in which the explosive charges aren’t that big (i.e., not big enough to cause the kind of crater I’ve seen as examples of the result.) Just sayin’


75 posted on 11/17/2022 6:38:34 AM PST by Gaffer (to )
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To: Gaffer

It weights 143 kg for a change. An IED pulverizing Abrams tank weights 6,5 kg.


76 posted on 11/17/2022 6:41:06 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: C19fan

This tells me it was all a false flag attempt by Zelvis.


77 posted on 11/17/2022 6:46:01 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump WON!!! The Gestapo closes ranks.)
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To: NorseViking

That IED pulverizing Abrams tank weighing 6.5 kg is very likely an EFP, not just explosives. Different thing.


78 posted on 11/17/2022 6:48:00 AM PST by Gaffer (to )
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To: NorseViking
It weights 143 kg for a change. An IED pulverizing Abrams tank weights 6,5 kg.

143 kg equals 315 pounds for those unfamiliar with weight conversions. Depending on the version, S-300 missile warheads contain roughly 200 to 300 pounds of TNT, which is not unsubstantial. Regardless, their maximum range of 120 km means that this missile's impact point was far beyond the range of any Russian-held territory of from Belarus.

So it's Ukrainian, and either failed to self-destruct after missing a Russian missile that it was launched to intercept, or was fired in surface-to-surface mode as a deliberate false flag. Given the frequency of Ukraine's older S-300 anti-air missiles missing their targets and then falling and exploding on Ukrainian territory, my guess is that this old missile's self-destruct mechanism also failed to detonate and it flew until it ran out of fuel.

79 posted on 11/17/2022 7:01:51 AM PST by Always A Marine ("When you strike at a king, you must kill him" - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: Always A Marine

Ah, A voice of sanity. Thank you, sir.


80 posted on 11/17/2022 7:04:15 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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