Posted on 11/11/2022 9:46:53 PM PST by Cronos
“If the Russians could, they would”
That has been one of the defining features of this war - Russia throwing off the constraints off civiled behavior, deliberately violating the bounds of the Geneva and Hague Conventions, and the UN Charter, in a lawless total war of conquest. Mass targeting of civilians and essential civilian infrastructure. Genocidal forced population transfers. Planned mass use of torture. As the Serbs often say when having to refer to their genocidal war crimes; et cetera, et cetera…
That is why Russia can’t be left with significant military capability - they have shown dangerously irresponsible intent. Russia must be demilitarized.
The situation in the air, is one more instance of how this is effectively happening in the Ukraine. They are steadily losing airframes they cannot replace, and pilots that will be very difficult to replace. We are over halfway though their fleets of close air support aircraft (fixed and rotary wing), as well as operational main battle tanks and heavy artillery.
NATO planners can do the math, and we have plenty of Javelins for the tanks, Stingers for the aircraft and HIMARS for the artillery. It is just a matter of time, as Russian losses continue to accumulate steadily and predictably, while the West continues to resupply the Ukraine.
The math gives Russian forces about another six months. Some systems/capabilities will collapse sooner, and others later but next year will see Russia demilitarized down to a third rate military power, with nukes. Poland’s already budgeted and contracted rearmament program has them on track to significantly outgun what will be left of the Russian military over the coming 3-5 years. The Ukraine seems too be on track for something similar, but that would require external financing (maybe reparations payments from Russia).
The Russian military must be defeated in detail, to remove that capability from the hands of leaders who have proven themselves untrustworthy to wield it.
As bloody as it is for the poor Ukrainians, the war in the Ukraine is a highly efficient and economical option to get Russian disarmament done, for the rest of the world.
LOL. You can bet that the Russians value their country much more than your life, let alone opinion.
Nosewanking “How many Americans do you think it (Russia) is going to kill over a couple of generations?”
BeauBo “You make a good case for continued military support to Ukraine, until the Russian threat is completely neutralized.”
You’re right, BeauBo. Perhaps that’s what Nosewanking wants us to think, that Russia needs to be eliminated?
Perhaps Nosewanking is a triple agent!
Facts instead of opinions.
Nope, you are making case without my involvement, I just outline the consequences of your attempts.
Like good SJWs you are still incapable to put causes and consequences in proper order.
Propaganda presented here on FR is disgusting.
Fact.
We do not know what is really happening in he Ukraine. Have not from the first.
There are no good players in this conflict.
Putin holds freedom and representative government in contempt.
Zelenski is a Klaus Schwab puppet. WEF shill and nothing but a TV personality.
The US government has turned this into a money machine for some of the US officials. Biden included.
We are destroying the Rule of law and any hope of an honest Fed Gov. If this is not stopped now, we are dead as a nation. We will fall or we will fragment. Neither are acceptable options.
We are in the 9th month of the invasion and so far the people following the non-pro-Russia sources seem to have been following pretty accurate news on the war.
It is the pro-Russia sources that seem to be putting out inaccurate information, that is why month after month, week after week, the pro-Russia “news” and narrative have to be constantly readjusted to account for the previous weeks of reality.
But Russia’s shortage of reliable tactical reconnaissance drones
I don’t think that is accurate - there was no shortage of Orlan-10s and still isn’t, but the introduction of Orlan-30s came too late.
“Now 90% consider you a bitter enemy. How many Americans do you think it is going to kill over a couple of generations?”
Russians are doing a fine job of killing the selves. What’s the average life expectancy these days? 45 or so?
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You are wrong as usual, but it is perfectly unrelated to the topic.
LINK: The Russian Air War and Ukrainian Requirements for Air Defence
LOL, Russian commander announces russians retreating from Kherson, a regional capitol, and Ukrainians post pictures of their soldiers entering Kherson. You still don't 'know what is really happening in Ukraine.' Okay.
Battle for Kyiv: Ukrainian valor, Russian blunders combined to save the capital
As his comrades were scrambling to stop the Russians west of Kyiv, Col. Leonid Khoda, commander of Ukraine’s 1st Tank Brigade, was mobilizing to the northeast of the capital in Honcharivske. By the time the first Russian missile hit his base on the morning of Feb. 24, Khoda had prepared for the worst. He had moved ammunition, fuel and food to camouflaged safe areas and dispersed his troops away from base into the field. He had discussed with his deputies how to slip away and form an underground resistance. He had prepared to say a final goodbye to his wife.
Hours into the war, it looked like the worst was happening. Russian troops that would ultimately number close to 30,000 were flowing over the border from three directions toward the northern Ukrainian city of Chernihiv. Their plan, according to Ukrainian officials, was to rapidly take the city of 280,000 people and press southward along the eastern side of the Dnieper River into Kyiv within three days. Along with the forces landing at Hostomel and spreading to the western side of the capital, they would form a pincer movement on Kyiv.
Standing between the Russians and the capital’s eastern flank was Khoda and his brigade of about 2,000 troops.
“It is psychologically difficult to accept when you hear a column is coming with 10 tanks. Another column is coming with 30 armored vehicles. Behind them another column of 12 vehicles is coming,” Khoda said. “There were these waves.”
Khoda left the base and sped north to Chernihiv to establish a forward command post. Waiting beside the highway north of the city, his companies ambushed and destroyed the first Russian column, firing at the formation with artillery at such short range that the Russians had no time to react. A second Russian column fell in the same way.
The attack stalled the advancing force and gave the Ukrainians critical time to erect defenses and gather their own troops.
What ensued over the next five weeks was an underdog fight against the Russians that would play another critical role in preventing Moscow from succeeding in its “lightning strike” on the Ukrainian capital.
The Ukrainians tried to force the mass of Russian troops into narrow stretches of terrain — dirt roads that were impassable, thawing fields or swamps that would ensnare vehicles and force greater fuel consumption. Vehicles that stayed on asphalt were targeted by fast-moving Ukrainian troops. Bridges and crossings were mined and blocked.
“We would force them to take certain routes, where we would then blast them and cut them off,” said Maj. Gen. Viktor Nikolyuk, the top commander for Ukrainian forces in the northern part of the country.
The strategy drew admiring plaudits at the Pentagon.
“Coming down that avenue of approach was something like 30 battle groups. A single Ukrainian brigade stopped them. I don’t know who that commander was, but he stopped them in their tracks,” Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, later said.
“They couldn’t get off the road. Their junior officers didn’t have any initiative,” Milley said of the Russians. “This guy was like a buzz saw, just chewing them up.”
If the Russian government would quit invading your neighbors and stop supporting regimes run by islamic savages and Korean nut jobs Americans might actually gain some respect for it.
But they don’t so you brought this on yourselves.
Enjoy the suck, Vlad.
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If the Russian’s are so good, why are they getting their ass kicked?
Why have they lost so much territory? Why are they forced to send the unequipped and untrained 300 thousand to replace their dead?
Has Putin been able to mobilize new Generals and Colonels to replace those killed outright?
“I was refering to USA large cities which are primary targets and full of Democrats. We ain’t going to be doing ground war with Russians. or Chinese for that matter”
That is something I have been thinking about for awhile. A lot has been said about weapons stockpiles being depleted in the west, which is true, but what was the purpose of those stockpiles and systems? NATO was/is an organization designed to defeat soviet/Russian aggression and that is what those systems and stockpiles are doing. In this case by Ukrainian forces but none the less serving their purpose. Russian manpower and equipment supplies have been so severely degraded that they are resorting to using very old weapons systems, conscripting vast swaths of their populations to fight(reminds me of the Germans conscripting trained equipment operators to fight which degraded their manufacturing base and they resorted to slave labor which was inefficient to say the lease) and so the Russian economy will suffer with the same brain drain but unlike Germany in WW2 the drain is magnified by hundreds of thousands of Russians fleeing Russia to avoid serving. Warehouses of weapons achieve nothing if not used. The west can reconstitute the stockpiles and systems I don’t see the Russians being able to in the foreseeable future and why they are buying from NK Iran and China. Additionally their systems have proven to be not all that effective and I imagine if/when they can begin exporting their will be limited demand. To the real point a war with China is not going to involve much in the way of artillery or tanks. An invasion of Taiwan will be a sea and air campaign. If it gets to arty and tanks it is over and just like Russia an invasion of China was never in the cards(which makes Russians invasion even more ridiculous) and nuclear exchange will be the result of Russians/Chinese/NK’s last desperation to keep power.
Almost all wars can be boiled down to ego and power
Of course not. This disparaging rhetoric in different forms predates the latest escalation of the Ukrainian crisis.
The reason is simple: Russia rejected the Western influenced oligarchy, which
had assets registered and taxed in foreign jurisdiction and focused on developing mineral and energy industries at the expense of everything else.
The neocons hated to see the middle class growing in Russia, they wanted to own everything, even though Russia wasn’t a threat for them.
Call it NK of Iran, nobody cares. That is going to be one more potent NK, capable to turn your life to worse in more senses than you can imagine.
Why ISAF gradually increased the contingent in Afghanistan to 132k and withdrew from Korengal valley?
UKR is probably the first country to possibly win a war with a credit card - one which they’ll never have to or actually pay back.
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