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A 'baffling' offensive in Pavlivka Russian marines allege their unit lost 300 people in just four days. Their commanders deny, deny, deny.
Meduza ^ | Nov. 8, 2022

Posted on 11/08/2022 6:17:19 AM PST by Salohcin

In late October, near the village of Pavlivka in the annexed part of Ukraine’s Donetsk region, heavy fighting broke out between Russian and Ukrainian forces. On November 5, the Russian Defense Ministry reported that it had “defeated" Ukrainian forces on the southern Donetsk front; the following day, however, multiple Russian “war correspondents” posted a message from marines in the 155th Brigade of Russia's Pacific Fleet who took part in the offensive. The marines alleged that their unit had lost approximately 300 people and half of their equipment in just four days. They asked Oleg Kozhemyako, governor of Russia’s Primorsky Krai, to conduct an independent investigation into the actions of the officers responsible for the failed operation and for the heavy losses.

On November 6, Alexander Sladkov, a correspondent for the state-owned broadcaster Russian Television and Radio, wrote on Telegram that marines from Russia’s 155th Brigade had endured “pointless” manpower and equipment losses. He said that the men had reached out to Primorsky Krai Governor Oleg Kozhemyako and requested that he communicate the losses to Russia’s top military command so that an on-site commission could “urgently investigate the situation.”

Later, the Wagner-PMC-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone posted the full statement. In it, the marines allege that they were sent into a “baffling” offensive so that General Rustam Muradov would “earn bonuses” with Russian Army General Staff Chief Valery Gerasimov and so that Muradov’s “buddy,” [Zurab] Akhmedov, would be given the title Hero of Russia.

According to the marines, the offensive caused the 155th Brigade to lose half of their military equipment and approximately 300 people, including injuries, deaths, and disappearances, in just four days. They noted that those numbers only cover losses in their brigade, and that the total number of Russian losses resulting from the offensive could be higher.

The marines said that their commanders were counting on capturing Pavlivka by “slipping through” Ukraine’s positions, but that this ultimately caused the men to get trapped in a “kill zone.” Because the commanders are afraid to take responsibility for the failed maneuver, the marines alleged, they proceeded to “conceal and suppress” official data on the losses.

“We ask [Governor Kozhemyako] to reach out to the Supreme [Commander-in-Chief] to send a commission not from the Defense Ministry, where Gerasimov is protecting Muradov, but an independent one. Let them ask about the purpose of this operation, the preparations, and the results — without sugarcoating,” wrote the marines.

In response, Primorsky Krai Governor Oleg Kozhemyako said that he had contacted the brigade’s commanders and they had confirmed that there was heavy fighting going on around Pavlivka, but that they called the marines’ reports of high losses “significantly exaggerated.” He also said he had passed on the marines’ request to the military prosecutor so that “a separate analysis can be conducted for each of these cases.” The Russian news outlet Agentstvo has noted that this was Kozhemyako’s second response to the marines — his initial response was to suggest that their report might be “disinformation from Ukrainian intelligence services.”

The Russian Defense Ministry said on Telegram Monday that the losses sustained by the 155th Brigade over more than 10 days have not exceeded 1 percent of personnel, adding that the marines “are continuing their offensive in the assigned area of responsibility until the combat mission’s full completion.”


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1 posted on 11/08/2022 6:17:19 AM PST by Salohcin
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To: Salohcin

Didn’t Trump kill 300 Ruskies in Syria in one night?


2 posted on 11/08/2022 6:20:04 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

With the help of the media, Ukraine is winning the propaganda war.


3 posted on 11/08/2022 6:27:06 AM PST by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis )
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To: Salohcin; little jeremiah

If this is a true report, that 300 will increase soon.
The Russian command will not tolerate soldiers speaking out of turn to the media.

That or its disinformation to feed the whiney-Western Deep State and the soldiers were given a script for the press.

YMMV


4 posted on 11/08/2022 6:31:12 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (We are a FREE people. Start acting like it. Live Free.)
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To: thegagline

And it’s the money and OUR weapons that make the difference..right?? We should send them more...right?? /s


5 posted on 11/08/2022 6:31:21 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Salohcin
Where's Baghdad Bob when you need him?


6 posted on 11/08/2022 6:38:10 AM PST by moovova
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To: moovova

He was last reported in Moscow.


7 posted on 11/08/2022 6:39:07 AM PST by Salohcin
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To: montag813

The us military did so in a shameful episode, flying top cover for FSA, a rebel group that…. wait for it…. wanted to break away part of the sovereign territory of a nation. Like in the Donbass.

We literally protected Isis from Russians.


8 posted on 11/08/2022 6:41:11 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Sacajaweau

Nope. We need to defend our border first.


9 posted on 11/08/2022 6:48:41 AM PST by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis )
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To: Salohcin

It’s getting Primorsky Krai Krai over there.

You’re welcome.


10 posted on 11/08/2022 6:54:09 AM PST by JusPasenThru (Free is when you don’t have to do nuthin or pay for nuthin. I gotta be free. Free as the wind.)
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To: montag813
I have no idea how many Russians were killed that night in Syria but I do know Putin blinked.

Apr 11, 2018 — “Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and 'smart!',” Trump ...

April 12, 2018 — President Trump's Pick for Secretary of State (Pompeo) Just Confirmed 'Hundreds' of Russians Were Killed in a U.S. Attack in Syria.

Apr 14, 2018 — Vladimir Putin has condemned US-led military strikes in Syria as an “act of aggression” and said Russia would convene an emergency session ...

Apr 15, 2018 — Despite its hostile rhetoric, Russia has taken care to avoid confrontation on the ground in Syria

Jul 16, 2018 — At their joint news conference (Putin & Trump), President Putin said Russia and the U.S. can work together to alleviate suffering in Syria.

11 posted on 11/08/2022 6:58:20 AM PST by hflynn
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To: montag813
Didn't Trump kill 300 Ruskies in Syria in one night?

Definitely not Russian regular forces, despite the wishful thinking of the McCain/Bolton pep squad.

Flew bombing sorties from Qatar right over ISIS training camps to get there also.

Now the Kurds are getting thrown under the bus (again) by Sweden and Finland...Western treachery and deceit knows no bounds.

12 posted on 11/08/2022 7:10:27 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: hflynn
but I do know Putin blinked.

Yep. He sure was quiet with Trump around. Not so much now. Wonder why.

13 posted on 11/08/2022 7:34:02 AM PST by montag813
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To: mac_truck

Hey bro I just noticed our first days on F.R. were one day apart back in 2001...coming up on our 21-year salute!


14 posted on 11/08/2022 7:35:29 AM PST by montag813
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To: Salohcin
“Never believe anything until it's been officially denied’’.- Otto von Bismark.
15 posted on 11/08/2022 7:42:11 AM PST by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: Salohcin

The commanders would not know because they all ran away.

Original source:
https://verstka.media/pod-makeevkoy-pogibli-sotni-mobilizovannyh/?fbclid=IwAR0I7YwoxX8zVRwADo00goaycLhBlMhHr_5FDPPbejrECCiujVlMHctJxDk


16 posted on 11/08/2022 8:48:21 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: montag813

Cheers to us....🍻🍻


17 posted on 11/08/2022 9:02:23 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: montag813

Putin was afraid that Trump would fight him if he started invading.

Trump had been strengthening NATO and trying to get Europe to abandon Russian energy while building up their militaries.


18 posted on 11/08/2022 9:57:00 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I haven’t checked the entire article yet; if there is a video in Russian I can have DH listen.

One thing is pretty much all news from US/EU media is bs. I will take a look later today.


19 posted on 11/08/2022 9:58:02 AM PST by little jeremiah (Never worry about anything. Worry never solved any problem or moved any stone.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/11/08/an-incomprehensible-offensive-in-pavlivka

Hmm, checked out the site, the report looks authentic. But...caveat...the site prominently displays “Make the Kremlin said” so there’s that bias; very difficult to discern sources’ trustworthiness due to bias of outlet. Recently one general in the RF military was removed and replaced, maybe because of this, if report is accurate?


20 posted on 11/08/2022 10:01:20 AM PST by little jeremiah (Never worry about anything. Worry never solved any problem or moved any stone.)
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