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THERE IS NO SINGLE WAR IN UKRAINE AND NATO IS IN TROUBLE
Sonar 21 ^ | 11 October 2022 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 10/12/2022 8:40:29 AM PDT by Kazan

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To: WMarshal

“and they won”

Sure, after 6 years or so. Russia doesn’t appear to have the luxury of keeping this going for 6 years though.


161 posted on 10/12/2022 10:58:42 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: PGR88
I am sorry General, but what evidence is there that Russia does not have air-superiority?

And why is launching cruise or especially hypersonic missiles and admission one's fighters/bombers can't operate? I recall the USA launching hundreds of tomahawks in Iraq War I and II, to hit the exact same kinds of targets.

Only the fact their aircraft are unwilling to venture far into Ukrainian airspace, and then only a very low altitudes (subjecting them to MANPADS).

Second, that numerous of their advanced aircraft have been shot down by Ukrainian air defenses, which explains the above reluctance to operate in Ukrainian air space.

The US fired lots of Tomahawks, and HARM missiles in the early war in Iraq. One of the prime early targets were Iraqi air defenses, which were taken out, giving Allied forces air dominance.

I do not see evidence of that in Ukraine.

162 posted on 10/12/2022 10:58:56 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Seruzawa
None of these people have ever seen or ever been near a war. Brave talk is always cheap. And brave talk is always directly proportional to the distance to the front.

Exactly. Although I do believe that some of these yapping jackals who claim to be Americans are really eastern Europeans, or possibly Germans. Their syntax is just one of many clues.

163 posted on 10/12/2022 10:59:13 AM PDT by Allegra
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To: cranked

The morning of 10 October - 6 closes air support, and 4 SEAD sorties. Slow day.

https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1579441907670822912/photo/1


164 posted on 10/12/2022 11:00:20 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: cranked

—> but going to stop by store and pick up a pair of Ghost of Kyiv socks. *thumbsup*

A true hero for the cause comrade


165 posted on 10/12/2022 11:00:23 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: Nik Naym

” I would fight and resist just the same as the Ukrainians are doing.”

Absolutely. So why are WE involved? This is not our fight. You mean sending BILLIONS to Ukraine is more important than our borders and Fl, which was hit by a hurricane?


166 posted on 10/12/2022 11:00:28 AM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2008 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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To: Renfrew

The basic questions for this war is how will Germany and Europe deal with General Winter without enough energy? What we will see is plant closures, business closures, massive poverty, and frozen dead people.


167 posted on 10/12/2022 11:00:45 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

lulz.


168 posted on 10/12/2022 11:00:49 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Boogieman

I have to say, that makes no sense.

Who supplied the North Vietnamese and VietCong? Did they have their own factories to make their AKs, RPGs, and ammo?

Who is keeping the Urkainians in the fight with billions in weapons and ammo and everything else? Outside of the US and NATO, Ukraine has no friends. The rest of the world, rightly, does not care as they have no dog in the fight.

Sanction Russia. OK. Russia sells its oil to China, India and a whole bunch of other countries.

The Ukrainians can have all the will to fight, they want, if they don’t have any guns or ammo to shoot back, they ain’t winning.


169 posted on 10/12/2022 11:01:02 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: max americana

Exactly, been saying this since Day 3.

And we have spent more in/on Ukraine than the entire Russian Military budget for 2021 and 2022.


170 posted on 10/12/2022 11:02:30 AM PDT by cranked
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To: cranked
Ukraine continues to hemorrhage massive amounts of manpower and military equipment.

And you can take this to the bank:

It’s about to get ‘full game on’ soon enough.

The Chess pieces are just being moved into place.

I have been reading the same refrain for seven months.

It is starting to resemble the "Q" idiocy about the election of Donald Trump in 2020.

It makes no sense for Russia to expend massive amounts of treasure, equipment, and manpower to "put chess pieces into place" if they could crush the Ukrainian military any time they wanted to.

171 posted on 10/12/2022 11:03:20 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: qaz123

Pretty soon, Ukraine and Zelensky will be on their own.


You mean like where Russia is right now? Other than Death to America Iran and the Norks, of course. A Big Three if there ever was one.


172 posted on 10/12/2022 11:03:36 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Nik Naym
I would think the average Ukrainian citizen does not appreciate having their country invaded and their homes and friends and relatives bombed into dust by an invading force.

That's the only reason I root for the Ukes. There is NO good guy in this fight.

The U.S.A. is run by one of the most corrupt administrations in its history, yet I would not welcome an invasion and attack by a neighboring country. I would fight and resist just the same as the Ukrainians are doing.

But a majority of Democrats would flee to Canada before they'd fight an invader, and some would assist the enemy.

173 posted on 10/12/2022 11:05:04 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: lodi90

And China...quietly sitting there. No one paying attention. Can crank out AKs and ammo faster than you can bake a sheet of cookies. Drones, whatever the Russians need. For they fire the same weapon systems. The Russians need 107 or 240 rockets. Jinping...”here you go, I’ll take a whole bunch of oil”. You got it.

All in return for some of the Russian oil that is still being pumped out of the ground.


174 posted on 10/12/2022 11:06:38 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: cranked

When your rapist offers you a marriage proposal or else, do you accept?

That is the issue.

Here is my fear. This will lead to guerilla attacks for decades to come.


175 posted on 10/12/2022 11:06:39 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: Kazan; Magnum44

“ and demilitarizing and de-Nazify Ukraine was the objective and it has been accomplished.”

Ukraine operates more tanks now than when the war started. Over 400 of them were captured or surrendered from Russian forces, making Russia the single biggest foreign source of tanks for the Ukraine.


176 posted on 10/12/2022 11:06:41 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: marktwain

Denial is strong in you as well, even when Ukrainian officials are indicating to you the numbers they are losing.

Russian to Ukrainian kill ratios are 5:1 up to 20:1.

And asserting “Q” is nothing more than BidenIdiot, Pentagon, DoD, CIA, MI6 BS code language for ‘conspiracy theory/theories’ etc. In other words, if you don’t take what we are telling you or asserting to you, then what you say is “Q” BS or conspiracy theories.

Spare me.


177 posted on 10/12/2022 11:07:27 AM PDT by cranked
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To: whitney69; All
No one fights and wastes time, money, and resources over nothing worth while unless it is the only thing they have.

I advise you to read more history. WWI was a prime example of wasting time money and resources over nothing much worth while.

There are numerous examples.

Almost every participant in WWI was poorer after the war. The United States may be a major exception.

The reason for this, is while participants may be attempting to be rational actors, they often are acting on false premises about reality or false information which they believe to be true.

178 posted on 10/12/2022 11:08:02 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Allegra

Exactly. Although I do believe that some of these yapping jackals who claim to be Americans are really eastern Europeans, or possibly Germans. Their syntax is just one of many clues.


LOL. Nothing says Red Blooded American like cheering on the Kremlin and it’s KGB filth dictator. Historically such has been the province of the Chomskyite nutball left of the American political spectrum. But whatever floats your boat, comrade.


179 posted on 10/12/2022 11:09:31 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: max americana

” So why are WE involved?”

WHERE did I say we should be?

I said the exact opposite.


180 posted on 10/12/2022 11:11:26 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smart-ass disorder. )
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