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Ukraine: Russian missile assault rocks Kyiv, other cities — live updates
Deutsche Welle ^

Posted on 10/10/2022 7:07:40 AM PDT by FarCenter

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To: ought-six
Wait a minute: Wasn’t it Russia that invaded Ukraine,

Unless you look back further than February, you will continue to fall into the logical fallacy trap of reductionism - and be unable to get to resolution.

Logical Fallacy of Reductionism / Oversimplification

The logical fallacy of reductionism / oversimplification occurs when a complex concept is reduced to a subset of its components as if it represented the whole. This often results in an oversimplified understanding of causes and possible solutions. It can also lead to questions being answered in ways that are too simple. That is, when a complex question is asked that requires several answers, a single simplified answer may be provided, but that answer isn't helpful. As with many fallacies, reductionism is often used as a tool for thinking, since the human mind is so limited. We usually can’t think about everything at once. A model, or abstraction, abstracts certain elements so that we can think about those elements and try to do analysis. However, the problem is that we sometimes forget that the model is not reality itself, and then we add it as confirmation bias to prove to ourselves that some parts of our paradigm/fake-inner-reality are real, though they are not. Water going through a garden hose is like electricity going through a wire--until you grab the end of the wire.


61 posted on 10/10/2022 8:09:43 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: jpsb

“I guess I missed it when we bombed Russia into submission.”

That’s a good point. Russia is like Germany after WWI or Napoleon in 1814. Defeated, but not occupied and thus the people have a delusion that they didn’t really lose.

The unfortunate lesson of history is that Russia may not be brought to heel until US marines are on the streets of Moscow.


62 posted on 10/10/2022 8:10:10 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: Renfrew

“The clear lesson from history is that if you skip the easy fights you will be stuck with hard ones later on.”

It was ever thus.


63 posted on 10/10/2022 8:10:25 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six
So NOW you’re concerned about citizens.

I've stated on FR several times from the beginning that I only care about the citizens of Ukraine and Russia that have no choice. Kindly pay attention bro. 🤗

64 posted on 10/10/2022 8:10:54 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: EEGator

They can’t right. A bunch of mooslims, pakis, dots and nogs ain’t gonna die for Great Britain.


65 posted on 10/10/2022 8:11:11 AM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: Renfrew

Ukraine, the most corrupt country in Europe is not an ally of the USA. Americans are sick of all these neocon wars. Everyone that wants to see Ukraine win is free to get on a plane and go over there and help them. This is not our fight.


66 posted on 10/10/2022 8:12:44 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: FarCenter

Nothing shrieks “liberation” more than lobbing missiles at the “liberated.”


67 posted on 10/10/2022 8:13:02 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Renfrew
4. send armies of Community Organizers to stuff ballot boxes in the US and force regime change to purge the war mongers and their Military Industrial Complex enforcing globalist racketeering that causes wars

5. Nuke Wash. DC , the root of Ukrainian resistance

68 posted on 10/10/2022 8:13:17 AM PDT by KTM rider (, or how Ambassador Stevens was killed because he was about to testify before the UN council )
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To: Deo volente

What I see in the JFK dealings in October 1962 with the “Cuban Missile Crisis” is a strategically timed crisis to help with the November mid-terms in 1962.

Under the drama a negotiated deal JFK got to look tough as the Republicans had hammered him over the Bay of Pigs for being weak on Cuba and Communism.

The Democrats gained four Senate seats in November 1962 and lost only five House seats.

The “crisis” solidified support around JFK and the Democrats.

Another historical note. Just two weeks before the “Cuban Missile Crisis” JFK was forced to send the US Army into northern Mississippi to force integration of the University of Mississippi.

That hurt him with the Southern segregationist Democrats and JFK need to deflect from that and unify his own political base.

The “Cuban Missile Crisis” gave him the opportunity to do just that with fissures in the Democrat Party in 1962 as well as stifling Republican critics.


69 posted on 10/10/2022 8:13:57 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: canuck_conservative

I think mass murdering Russian speakers in the Ukraine might be considered a provocation. Just saying.


70 posted on 10/10/2022 8:14:53 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You are correct.


71 posted on 10/10/2022 8:15:27 AM PDT by sport
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To: Renfrew

The hegemonic model in your #1 is in state of free fall and collapse. We no longer have the capability to replicate what we did with Germany and Japan. This exact situation proves the point and is what this war is about.

Regarding #3, the destruction will be mutual.


72 posted on 10/10/2022 8:19:08 AM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Considering the fire power that hit Ukraines 10 cities, including Kiev, it's remarkable more citizens weren't lost.... Obvious this was against Ukraines infrastructure and bridges - which will cripple their military provisions, movements and communications.

I'm surprised the infrastructure wasn;t done on day one - but then Putin did say it was a concentrated particiliar mission at that time. .....So now Zelensky continues to “Poke” at Putin (Crimea Bridge explosion) and now he sees Putin is responding certainly as most would have guessed he would...... Zelensky got what he wanted - an escalation in the war.

Obviously civilians are NOT Putin's targets, unfortunately as in our Iraq bombings, some will indeed loose their life. his happens in all conflicts.

I think Putin listens to all his advisors, both gov. and military....on how he can achieve his goals. And as we've seen if a Military leader goes against Putin he will take him down or out if he cannot explain his actions.

I recall a General saying that every military leader makes mistakes on the battlefield. That innocents will die as well as their own military people. It cannot be completely avoided regardless the efforts to do so.

What I hate most is Zelensky’s constantly misleading his people - now he's using green screens behind his speeches because those buildings were bombed. Putting up street signs of the crimea bridge being blown like N.Korea does to keep their people in the dark. His photo ops and all the nonsense that everything is alright they are winning.

But it's not alright, not even close....nobody wins in this conflict.

73 posted on 10/10/2022 8:19:18 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: Deo volente

“I believe those Jupiter missiles in Turkey were going to be phased out anyway. I could be wrong.”

But you are right.

“I think the whole thing was more of a draw than a Kennedy ‘victory’...”

I agree.

“I only hope we avoid it again. We need some adults in the room as in 1962. Biden and company are hardly capable, and Putin is a wild card. Very dangerous times...”

I don’t see anyone going nuclear, unless it is Putin; and there is no upside to Russia in going that route.


74 posted on 10/10/2022 8:19:35 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Renfrew

At least you admit we are an expansionist empire. That’s not what our founders wanted, nor most citizens.


75 posted on 10/10/2022 8:19:40 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Levy78

Which is precisely why the foreigner wants the US to fight.


76 posted on 10/10/2022 8:20:10 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: jpsb

Yep.


77 posted on 10/10/2022 8:20:39 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: lodi90

“Putinist Russia is a weak and corrupt country so it must always resort to violence.”

Yup. Just within the last 30 years, Russia has invaded Chechnya (twice), Georgia, and Ukraine (twice).


78 posted on 10/10/2022 8:21:09 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: caww
nobody wins in this conflict.

Agree.

I will add that if the globohomos of the WEF/Soros group fail, I will take that as a win for the world. It will come at great cost - including much wider war that will engulf many nations and lives.

Again, the evil of men is why we need a Savior.

79 posted on 10/10/2022 8:21:42 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: EEGator

Exactly. It would do the limeys well to sit down and STFU. I actually kinda like the Brits for their contribution to western civilization but I don’t want to hear jack from those shit teeth regarding foreign entanglements.


80 posted on 10/10/2022 8:25:24 AM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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