Posted on 09/30/2022 3:47:35 PM PDT by Kazan
It's a truth the neocon baboons here don't want to acknowledge or face.
Since the only neocons present are those who are backing
Russian adventurism, you’re absolutely right.
Glad you’ve finally figured that out.
The we you speak of, is you, your buds, and Vlad Poop’n.
If you don’t believe this analysis, just give Victoria Nuland some chlorophyl and a couple shots of Stoli, and you’ll hear the same.
Lying Russian propaganda.
Russia just needs to drag its pathetic butt back across the border and leave Ukraine alone.
The end.
“Ukraine - Four Oblasts Join Russia”
Good to see this coming to an end, finally.
chlorophyll?
Lenin through Krustchev thought the USSR was unbreakable, and also Russian. They also thought that integrating Russians into the outer Republics would make them more Russian and thus more loyal to the Russian Soviets. Furthermore, the annexation of Crimea made Ukraine much more western, and the annexation of these territories will make it even more so
stop making sense!
Care to remind us how many nations on the U.N. Security
Council voted to recognized those votes for returning
those four areas to Russia?
Try one. Russia, which promptly used it’s veto.
Against, ten.
Abstained, four.
The Donbas remained for the most part under the control of the Ukrainian Cossack Hetmanate and the Turkic Crimean Khanate until the mid-late 18th century, when the Russian Empire conquered the Hetmanate and annexed the Khanate.
According to the Russian Imperial Census of 1897, Ukrainians comprised 52.4% of the population of the region, while ethnic Russians comprised 28.7%. Greeks, Germans, Jews and Tatars also had a significant presence in the Donbas, particularly in the district of Mariupol, where they comprised 36.7% of the population.
In April of 1918 troops loyal to the Ukrainian People’s Republic took control of large parts of the region. For a while, its government bodies operated in the Donbas alongside their Russian Provisional Government equivalents. The Ukrainian State, the successor of the Ukrainian People’s Republic, was able in May 1918 to bring the region under control for a short time with the help of its German and Austro-Hungarian allies.
Along with other territories inhabited by Ukrainians, the Donbas was incorporated into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic after the Russian Civil War. Cossacks in the region were subjected to a campaign called “decossackisation” from 1919–1921.
Ukrainians living in the Donbas were further decimated by the state-sponsored 1932–33 Holodomor (meaning ‘to kill by starvation’) famine and the Russification policy of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin. Since most ethnic Ukrainians were rural peasant farmers, they bore the brunt of the famine, with the government confiscating their land and removing any means they had to feed themselves.
As part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country, millions of inhabitants of Ukraine — the majority of whom by now were ethnic Ukrainians — died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe that was unprecedented in the history of the country.
Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine and 15 other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet government.
Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials varied greatly. A United Nations joint statement signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7–10 million perished. Current scholarship estimates a range of 4 to 7 million victims, with more precise estimates ranging from 3.3 to 5 million.
According to the findings of the Court of Appeal of Kyiv in 2010, the total demographic losses due to the famine amounted to 10 million, however, with 3.9 million direct famine deaths, and a further 6.1 million birth deficits.
The Russification of the area accelerated after the 1958–59 Soviet educational reforms, which led to the near elimination of all Ukrainian-language schooling in the Donbas.
Really good history summary.
https://greekreporter.com/2022/09/30/history-donbas-donetsk-luhansk/
If it’s propaganda, then what is it in the article you don’t think is true? Those are the objective facts as far as I know.
I think he meant chloroform. And before you berate him too much, it probably speaks well of him that he doesn’t know a date-rape drug from something that turns things green.
Remind us about the US Security Council vote that allowed NATO to attack Serbia (there was none) Libya (there was none) or to try to overthrow Assad in Syria with our “rebels” (there was none)
So you agree with me.
All you can do is come up with examples that most of us didn’t
back, back then either.
It doesn’t help Russia look better at all.
I believe Russia has legitimate geostrategic...existential interests in Ukraine.
I also believe they have been negligent in not lighting nukes already in a effort to destroy the Ukrainian government and drive all western forces from that land. And to brush back NATO.
That negligence is likely to cost them dearly.
The US has no interests there whatsoever.
Thank you and bookmarking
lol, maybe sodium thiopental. but definitely spiked w/ Soli.
From my study of Russian history and the Russian civil war Kazan did a good job explaining the border issue.
I bet Lviv in western Ukraine would like to go back to Poland like they were from 1919 to 1939
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