Posted on 09/29/2022 7:14:50 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Vladimir Putin will formally annex occupied regions of Ukraine to Russian in a major speech tomorrow, the Kremlin has confirmed, as he attempts to regain the initiative after his forces suffered a humiliating rout earlier this month.
Putin's speech comes after Russian-backed proxy governments in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions held sham referendums earlier this week on whether to go ahead with the move.
Armed Russian soldiers taking ballot boxes door-to-door left the results in no doubt, and Ukraine along with its Western allies have vowed not to recognise the results.
But it still marks a turning point in the war because it will allow PUTIN TO SPIN THE LIE to his own people that any attack on those regions is an attack on Russia itself - paving the way for him to escalate, possibly as far as using nukes.
Ukraine has vowed to defy that threat is continuing to attack into those regions today, with a key town in Donetsk now all-but surrounded.
Lyman, which sits close to the Donets river, is being flanked from northwest and southeast, with Kyiv's troops having cut off all escape routes bar one.
Putin's forces are facing 'imminent defeat' in the town which is a key supply hub for troops in the region.
Taking the town would clear the way for Ukraine to attack into neighbouring Luhansk province - which is almost completely under Russian control.
Putin maintains that the ultimate goal of his 'special military operation' is the liberation of both Donetsk and Luhansk, and defeats there would make it impossible to spin the war as a success.
It comes off the back of a devastating Ukrainian counter-attack east out of Kharkiv earlier this month that returned thousands of square miles to Kyiv's control and buckled Russia's frontline.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Regardless of what’s being said - Russia now has joined the four areas to Russia and considers all it’s citizens as inclusive with th Russia country. If or not other nations identity it so rally doesn’t matter at this juncture. To Russians it’s a done deal now.
If they don’t then why does Ukrainia always rfer to the areas as Russian occupied. Even at the Security Counsl today Ukraine called it Russian occupid lands.
If or not the world wants to deny the referendums they were indeed held with results favorable to joining with Russia.
Just like Bidens takeover in our election - nobody has to date removed him from office. So what’s the world going to do - nothing to gain back those areas.
It is pretty clear from your posting history on this subject that you are an isolationist. That may have made sense 120 years ago, when it took a week to ten days to cross the Atlantic by ship; and even longer to cross the Pacific. It might even have made some sense, but less, 100 years ago.
But, we are — for good or ill — not living in the world of 100 years ago. We are living in today’s world of ICBMs, the internet, jet travel, mass communication...well, you get the picture.
Isolationism is not just unrealistic, it is impossible.
Like it or not, we are attached at the hip to the rest of the world.
“This is actually a true statement for you.”
Project much deceiver?
“If or not other nations identity it so rally doesn’t matter at this juncture. To Russians it’s a done deal now.”
No, incorrect. To PUTIN, it is a done deal.
You’re deceiving yourself.
“Isolationism is not just unrealistic, it is impossible.”
You are in direct conflict with the opinions of the founding fathers.
“Project much deceiver?”
Actually, no I do not use projection.
Apparently you will continue still to use projection or the tendency to ascribe to another person feelings, thoughts, or attitudes present in oneself.
“You are in direct conflict with the opinions of the founding fathers.”
They wrote from their perspective of 230 - 240 years ago. I have already pointed out to you that we are not living in the late 18th century, or even the late 19th century. We are living in the real world of 2022.
You are certainly free to retreat back to the halcyon days of curing medical illnesses by blood-letting, and leaches; and having half your children die before they reached the age of three; of reading at night by firelight or candlelight exclusively; where you were likely to be slaughtered, along with your family, in a most gruesome manner by aborigines who saw you as trespassers...well, I could go on, and on. But, the reality is, that retreat can ONLY exist in your mind. Because the real world is...different.
“no I do not use projection.”
Not only do you use projection, your an expert in deception.
“You are in direct conflict with the opinions of the founding fathers.”
“You are in direct conflict with the opinions of the founding fathers.”
Didn’t I already respond to this?
Perhaps you missed it. So, I will repeat it.
They wrote from their perspective of 230 - 240 years ago. I have already pointed out to you that we are not living in the late 18th century, or even the late 19th century. We are living in the real world of 2022.
You are certainly free to retreat back to the halcyon days of curing medical illnesses by blood-letting, and leaches; and having half your children die before they reached the age of three; of reading at night by firelight or candlelight exclusively; where you were likely to be slaughtered, along with your family, in a most gruesome manner by aborigines who saw you as trespassers...well, I could go on, and on. But, the reality is, that retreat can ONLY exist in your mind. Because the real world is...different.
I haven’t called you any names. I’ve labeled your position as neocon. And the label is accurate.
Just as I mentioned earlier, you’re using the neocon tactic of labeling someone as “pro-Putin”, “pro-Assad”, “pro-jihad” because we want to stay out of a manufactured conflict. It is dishonest but not unexpected.
You brush aside the deficit while at the same time being fine with giving that scammer Zelensky tens of billions. The deficit is itself an attack on America, which you support.
“You are in direct conflict with the opinions of the founding fathers.”
He is not even a neocon.
He is a supporter of tyranny.
Anyone who dispels the opinions of the founding fathers outright has no place in this country.
Agree.
Not sure if you remember, but Ron Paul got heavily criticized here for his anti-interventionism. Watch his 1 hour speech to Congress 20 years ago (”Neo-conned”). Prophetic. No wonder Kristol hated him and every other libertarian and paleocon. It is incredible to me after all that has happened, after Ukraine was used to help impeach Trump, that ppl here are still pushing the same kind of crap that got us trillions of debt in Iraq.
“I haven’t called you any names.”
Yeah, you called me a neocon. You can try to spin it otherwise, but you will fail.
“Just as I mentioned earlier, you’re using the neocon tactic of labeling someone as ‘pro-Putin’, ‘pro-Assad, ‘pro-jihad’...”
Come on, show us all where I have used the label “pro-Assad” or “pro-jihad.” You can’t, because I never did.
“It is dishonest but not unexpected.”
See above sentence.
“You brush aside the deficit while at the same time being fine with giving that scammer Zelensky tens of billions. The deficit is itself an attack on America, which you support.”
Nice try.
You sound young, as is evidenced by some of your earlier comments; so, I will refrain from taking you to the proverbial woodshed. But my tolerance is limited.
“You are in direct conflict with the opinions of the founding fathers.”
You are in direct conflict with the 21st century.
The same ppl labeling “pro-Putin” were using the other labels. Label is irrelevant. It is the tactic of labeling someone neutral as being with the other side.
As to taking to the woodshed, do your best Karen.
You just labeled yourself as a Democrat.
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