Posted on 09/29/2022 7:14:50 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Vladimir Putin will formally annex occupied regions of Ukraine to Russian in a major speech tomorrow, the Kremlin has confirmed, as he attempts to regain the initiative after his forces suffered a humiliating rout earlier this month.
Putin's speech comes after Russian-backed proxy governments in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions held sham referendums earlier this week on whether to go ahead with the move.
Armed Russian soldiers taking ballot boxes door-to-door left the results in no doubt, and Ukraine along with its Western allies have vowed not to recognise the results.
But it still marks a turning point in the war because it will allow PUTIN TO SPIN THE LIE to his own people that any attack on those regions is an attack on Russia itself - paving the way for him to escalate, possibly as far as using nukes.
Ukraine has vowed to defy that threat is continuing to attack into those regions today, with a key town in Donetsk now all-but surrounded.
Lyman, which sits close to the Donets river, is being flanked from northwest and southeast, with Kyiv's troops having cut off all escape routes bar one.
Putin's forces are facing 'imminent defeat' in the town which is a key supply hub for troops in the region.
Taking the town would clear the way for Ukraine to attack into neighbouring Luhansk province - which is almost completely under Russian control.
Putin maintains that the ultimate goal of his 'special military operation' is the liberation of both Donetsk and Luhansk, and defeats there would make it impossible to spin the war as a success.
It comes off the back of a devastating Ukrainian counter-attack east out of Kharkiv earlier this month that returned thousands of square miles to Kyiv's control and buckled Russia's frontline.
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What this fellow shows is rather tame compared to what I've seen:
https://medium.com/@meohoh/twelve-reasons-why-russia-sucks-9ceb0feddcd6
And if I had a dollar for every Putinist on this forum who claimed to have had widely travelled across Russia and somehow missed all the massive poverty, corruption and filth, I'd have at least 20 or 30 bucks surprisingly.
“Whether they are Biden’s of the WEF’s is irrelevant. It only matters if the position is correct or not.”
Exactly. I look at issues and judge them on their merit, not on who is or is not promoting them. Its called objectivity.
Objectivity is in short supply in poltical discussion forums.
Which reminds me of how dumb you think we are, as I remember voter turnout was 125% in Sevestopol, despite people at the scene showing virtually no one on the streets out to vote.
“there is some kind of organized Ukraine army is utterly ridiculous.”
Doesnt say much for the Russian army given this unorganized rabble is pushing them out.
They do not care about the truth they only care about their narrative which is why suddenly they agree with the media they usually hate myself on the other hand I will admit when they arrive readily because I’m not vested in this I don’t really care either way both sides have arguable points but the truth is hard to fine and you have to look for it do you have to look at all sides from the neocons and the left and Russian information and middle of the road independent reporters who are actually in the combat areas unlike western reporters who are not
Western media essentially simply prints press releases from the Ukrainian government and military or globalist organizations it’s all pure propaganda and 90% of the time is a lie or an embellishment one of the few times they were correct is the Kharkiv retreat of the Russians
Naturally one can argue the facts around that retreat but according to them Russians were fleeing in their underwear on bicycles to Moscow
I don’t think the average supporter of Zielinski here even knows who’s actually fighting on the Russian side
But that is apparently about to change and I doubt Putin is very happy about having his pipeline blown up
Post a list of countries that have said they will recognize and accept as legitimate Russia’s annexation of eastern Ukraine. .
For instance, of all the world’s nations (some 195), how many recognized Russia’s annexation of Crimea? Only 14 (well, 13, really, because Russia itself is on the list!):
The 14 countries who recognize Russia’s annexation of Crimea
1. Afghanistan
2. Armenia
3. Belarus
4. Bolivia
5. Cuba
6. Kazakhstan
7. Kyrgyzstan
8. North Korea
9. Nicaragua
10. Russia
11. Sudan
12. Syria
13. Venezuela
14. Zimbabwe
Now, there’s a Rogue’s Gallery if ever there was one!
I adopted three children, separately, and one adoption took a long time to complete.
Your claims are based on what? Why would they be believeable?
What the….?
I don’t support that evil Biden or any of his puppetmasters. Not remotely. Where did you get *that* convoluted notion? There are some messed up people on this site.
I don’t support Putin or Zelensky either. There are some on here who can’t grasp that concept.
Good for Nato, but illegal for Russia.
Kosovo set this precedent.
Lots of hypocrisy in the western world.
I forgot to include North Korea and Belarus in my guess list.
Syria has announced it will. That’s the only country I know about currently.
Good luck. Many of these rogue nations will have more power than us in the near future, by association with new bosses, China and Russia.
Biden and his supporters are leading the charge to destroy our country and the Russophobe FR population is marching to the same tune.
“It will be fun. BTW, Serbia has reported a slew of countries that have withdrawn recognition of Kosovo.”
BTW, I have always been “on the fence” re: the legitimacy of Kosovo as an independent country; but the Serbia constitution
— unlike the Ukrainian constitution — was silent on the matter of secession; so, the legal argument can be made that Kosovo DID have the right to independence, and international courts agreed.
So, using Kosovo and Serbia as an example — and you clearly seem to take the side that Kosovo had no right to independence — you must necessarily conclude that the separatist areas of Ukraine also have no right to secede, either; all things being equal.
Or you’re a hypocrite.
You support Weaponizing Ukraine?
“But he’s right....”
Who’s right?
For example, I know even the Ukrainian mythology: according to Davies, Khmelnytsky's father was Polish and participated in the temporary occupation of Moscow in 1610-12.
The Russian entrance into Ukraine followed the usual Russian pattern of instigating or exacerbating a local conflict, in this case between Cossacks and small Polish landowners in the East vs. the big Polish landowners in the West of Ukraine like Jarema Wisniowiecki. Having entered the conflict to "assist" the Cossacks and small landowners, Russia annexed the territory.
Russia followed the same pattern with the Circassians in the Caucasus, who asked for assistance against the Turks only to find themselves occupied by Russia, which made them go over wholesale to the Turks.
More recently, as the Soviet Union neared collapse Lebed and others were busy fomenting conflict in the Baltics and in the Caucasus to keep the Red Army involved and to suppress local independence movements. They largely failed to prevent independence, but left lingering conflicts between Armenia & Azerbaijan, Georgia and the Ossetians, Transnistria, etc., as a perpetual pretext for Russian intervention.
The whole 2014 exercise was just another Russian operation of fomenting internal strife in Donbas when Putin's factotum in Kiev was forced out to provide a pretext for Russian intervention. The notion that "Russian speakers" who comprised half the population were being oppressed by "Ukro-nazis" between 1991 and 2014 is simply the usual Russian sick joke.
That is for sure.
Most international law experts disagreed with Kosovo being annexed at the time.
The right to self determination is why we threw out the Brits.
I guess you prefer we had stayed under British rule.
I support this right to self determination.
“Many of these rogue nations will have more power than us...”
Us, kemosabe? Who is “us”? For me, “us” is the United States; for you, “us” is Russia.
I am an American.
The only thing making the US the "winner" here is a much stronger and firmer economic and political foundation than any of the others. We will simply wind up less poor and somewhat more free than the others.
You ask a lot of questions with answers you already know.
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