Posted on 09/25/2022 8:37:02 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
The cost of charging an electric car using public charge points on a pay-as-you-go basis has risen by 42% in just four months, according to the RAC.
The motoring group said the average price for using the chargers has increased by 18.75p per kilowatt hour (kWh) since May, reaching 63.29p per kWh.
The latest figures show a driver exclusively using rapid or ultra-rapid public chargers pays around 18p per mile for electricity, compared with roughly 19p per mile for petrol and 21p per mile for diesel.
The rise has been blamed on the soaring wholesale costs of gas and electricity.
RAC spokesman Simon Williams said: "It remains the case that charging away from home costs less than refuelling a petrol or diesel car, but these figures show that the gap is narrowing as a result of the enormous increases in the cost of electricity.
"These figures very clearly show that it's drivers who use public rapid and ultra-rapid chargers the most who are being hit the hardest."
(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...
Time to tax gas more to make EVs look better. That’s how they do it.
But, mayor buttjuice said we could save eleventy billion dollars if we bought a 60 kilobuck car
6 months ago, Tesla owners and everyone in media was gloating “look how cheap it is to operate an EV!”
Hey, at least they’re helping save the... Whatever.
Stupid or ultra stupid is your choice EV owners.
“Time to tax gas more to make EVs look better. That’s how they do it”.
I read somewhere that they’re working on ‘Miles driven’ taxes for EVs.
FAKE NEWS!!!
No EV owner is STUPID ENOUGH to take his vehicle out of range of their home charging station, so please try again.
Just use the electrical power plants to provide more, cheaper electricity.
To the left, electricity is the power source and not the end product.
It looks like the “break-even” is at about 0.40 per kWh with gasoline at $3.15 a gallon, but that depends on the “kWh per mile” spec on the electric vehicle, and the MPG of the ICE vehicle...EV’s range from about 0.24 kWh per mile to about 0.50 kWh per mile, and I used 27 mpg for an ICE vehicle @ $3.15/gal. to play with the #’s.
1 gallon of gasoline equals 33.7 kWh of electricity so a direct conversion in California at about 0.35 per kWh yields a gasoline eq. of $11.79/gallon, but most EV’s do about .25 kWh per 1 mile which figures to about 135 “MPG”. (Someone check my math using the links below). ;-)
Here are some calculators & info. if you want to run the numbers yourself:
https://ecocostsavings.com/electric-car-kwh-per-mile-list/
https://www.inchcalculator.com/electric-vehicle-fuel-savings-calculator/
If anyone has more/better “eMPG” info./links please add them to this thread!
Gotta get that cost of leaving home on parity! Otherwise, people might use their electric cars to have the freedom to move around.
Are you saying that the price did not raise in the last 4 months? And that traveling plans only go a distance and return home on a single charge?
Not true. My father read an article with a title like, “Why I Decided To Take My Family On A Cross-Country Road Trip In An EV” - This guy literally did just that. He took his two kids and wife on several thousand-mile plus trips during the summer, though they never revealed which EV he took.
Bluntly: The guy was fabulously wealthy and had both time and money to burn. No average American would be able to do what he did.
No EV owner is STUPID ENOUGH to take his vehicle out of range of their home charging station
By your hateful blather there aren't any charging stations being used out of range of their home charging stations, except by dolts... so please try again.
I respectfully disagree with using mpge. Yes in a textbook physics situation you can use an equivalent energy of gallon of gas. But IMHO real road life isn’t like the textbook. Before I bought an EV I compared miles/kWh with mpg, assumed it’d be off by 10%, then assumed another 10% loss converting AC to DC. I also compared with 15 mpg of used cars, not higher mpg of new ICE cars since i wasn’t going to buy a new ICE car anyway. I also assumed replacing the used ICE car every 7 years (the average lifespan for mine and my wife’s used cars) for $10k (today’s costs) with replacing the EV battery in 10 years for $10k (since I wasn’t getting an expensive Tesla). I also had to research increase in insurance premiums for full coverage on an expensive new car vs liability only on a used car. Last but not least are the average miles you drive per month. Lots and lots of variables, some of which are unique to each person’s situation.
Yep, highly variable depending on situation...that is why I tend to stick with “energy equivalence” and the price per equivalent unit of “fuel”. EV vs ICE on the vehicle purchase level introduces too many variables...calculation of the govt. subsidy offset is yet another variable.
Electricity is 43 cents a kilowatt. I get 4 miles per kilowatt. Gasoline is 4.10 a gallon. My wife gets 30 miles per gallon. So about 10 cents a mile for electric, 13 cents a mile for gas. Today.
Sounds about right. I do desert driving segments of 400+ miles (& towing) so an EV is not for us right now...I see a plug-in hybrid in our future...probably Toyota/Lexus, and I hear rumors of 2023-24 Ford Super Duty 3/4 & 1 ton hybrid trucks (maybe plug-in hybrid?) for our towing needs.
Until EV’s can do 400+ miles on a full charge and do another 200+ miles on a 15 minute charge while I am in the mini-mart bathroom they will not be for me (same spec./charging time for towing 10K lbs. would be nice too). YMMV.
Plus you get to wait hours to get a charge for the car and a BIG charge on your credit card.
Check out the Huge line at this EV charging station in California…
Posted by Kane on September 23, 2022 11:11 am
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/check-out-the-huge-line-at-this-ev-charging-station-in-california/
Unfortunately unless my quick mental math is utterly out to lunch:
The fastest supercharger station for a Model S is:
From 10% to 80% charge
Supercharger v3 (250 kW DC)
250 kW max rate
140 kW average rate
30 min
810 km/h
So to bring this down to 15 minutes on a pack at least this size would require MORE than a THIRD OF A MEGAWATT of constant current. We’re talking upwards of 333,000 watts of constant charge for 15 minutes.
1400 amps at 240 volts.
You need 1000 megawatts and a grid that can deliver it to charge just 3000 cars all at once at that rate.
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