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Germany seizes control of Russian-owned oil refineries
Energy Live News ^ | 9-16-22 | Dimitris Mavrokefalidis

Posted on 09/16/2022 7:44:45 AM PDT by Brookhaven

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To: Brookhaven

Are the refineries on German territory? If they are located in Russia how is Germany going to enforce the physical supplies?


81 posted on 09/16/2022 10:20:54 AM PDT by Chgogal (Welcome to Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! Fuhrer Biden is supported by MSM & DC.)
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To: Cronos
quite close to Moscow

Not 300 miles from Moscow...

82 posted on 09/16/2022 10:26:51 AM PDT by politicket
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To: NorseViking

in WW2 they worked primarily with coal gasification to operate equipment.


83 posted on 09/16/2022 10:32:22 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: reformedliberal

You do know the RAND corporation has said this document’s a complete fake, right?

(Well, they would say that, even if it wasn’t).

But when one shadowy source claims to have evidence that compelling, it’s usually prudent to wait for some confirmation before treating it like a released Kraken.

There’s a lot of fake stuff on all sides of this conflict - some of it actually quite well done and some of it, well, not so much.

I particularly like the Rossyia 1 explosive video of the Queen, throwing stuff down to orphans. It’s a brilliant piece of creative and emotive editing, slightly undermined by the thought that our queen was already a fully grown adult wearing Edwardian dresses, at the tender age of two.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1570620697143287810


84 posted on 09/16/2022 10:44:15 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdjOR2)
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To: NorseViking

Lol, I’m sure not defending Germany. First they elect Merkel, then they outlaw coal and nuclear, then they make partners with Communist Russia on a pipeline, then Russia, predictably, cuts them off.

The only bigger collection of dumbasses running a government than Merkels is our current White House. Hell, the entire world is now run by a collection of dumbasses!!! Maybe Hungary makes a right decision every now and then.


85 posted on 09/16/2022 10:56:55 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: canuck_conservative

...Sweden and Finland are joining NATO...

... the “NATO provocation” theory...

...PUTIN STARTED IT BECAUSE HE”S A BLOODTHIRSTY WARMONGER...

...the simplest explanation is always right...
____________________________________________

Sweden just elected a new PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/swedish-pm-formally-resigns-after-right-wing-bloc-wins-vote/ar-AA11RfQk

“...a right-wing bloc that includes a nationalist, anti-immigration party won a narrow majority in Sweden’s parliament.”

We’ll see how that NATO membership proceeds.

Swedish publication/author:

https://nyadagbladet.se/utrikes/shocking-document-how-the-us-planned-the-war-and-energy-crisis-in-europe/

“Shocking document: How the US planned the war and energy crisis in Europe
International
• In what appears to be an exceptional internal leak from the think tank RAND Corporation, known among other things to have been behind the American strategy for foreign and defence policies during the Cold War, a detailed account is given of how the energy crisis in Europe has been planned by the United States.
• The document, which dates from January, acknowledges that the aggressive foreign policy that was being pursued by Ukraine before the conflict would push Russia into having to take military action against the country. Its actual purpose, it contends, was to pressure Europe into adopting a wide range of sanctions against Russia, sanctions which had already been prepared.
• The European Union’s economy, it states, “will inevitably collapse” as a result of this, and its authors rejoice in the fact that, among other things, resources of up to $9 billion will flow back to the United States, and well-educated young people in Europe will be forced to emigrate.
• The key objective described in the document is to divide Europe - especially Germany and Russia - and destroy the European economy by placing useful idiots in political positions in order to stop Russian energy supplies from reaching the continent.”

NATO provocation was the enactment of RAND strategy
(yes, they deny it, but perpetrators always deny. Their supposed link to the real paper goes nowhere.)

To use your own format: Putin has not acted prior in a way that supports your accusation. So, obviously, your accusation lacks substance.

Cui Bono? You say: “The simplest explanation is _always***_ (my emphasis) right.” Estimates of $9B in assets flowing to the US plus educated youth emigrating are, at the least, intriguing.

9B seems too little. Is this some metric use where they actually mean $9Trillion?

I do not see where a white, educated workforce comports with
US immigration actions to date, especially since Sweden has just elected nationalistic populists. Perhaps RAND thought they would be *woke*?

This is breaking and with RAND’s denial, has become controversial.

I encourage everyone to research further into RAND and its funding.

*** Any extraordinary claims of “always” and “never” require extraordinary proof, or, at least, extraordinary evidence. At minimum, one should seek a weight of anecdotal/observational indications to support the claim and then search further.


86 posted on 09/16/2022 11:01:15 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: Cen-Tejas
More bluff and bluster from the Russian commies yes, REAL action, I doubt it.

This is so sad that a a person is willing to play Russian roulette with Global Thermonuclear Destruction.

We've all heard and seen over and over the guy who murders his girlfriend while he yells, "if I can't have her nobody can have her."

You don't think that a Dictator that has declared he is fighting against decadent Western debauchery is capable of nuking it all when he is totally up against a wall?

And you don't even realize that this has all been orchestrated by the WEF and the rest of the Global Elites to murder 7.5 Billion people to bring on their manageable utopia.

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
They really are doing everything they can to back President Putin into a corner.

The question is, are you one of their agent provocateurs?

87 posted on 09/16/2022 11:05:05 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: Brookhaven

Yes...... Putin has shot his wad.


88 posted on 09/16/2022 11:08:25 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: higgmeister

What a bunch of unadulterated fear mongering BS


89 posted on 09/16/2022 11:11:48 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: politicket

And no part of Ukraine is 300 miles from Moscow either


90 posted on 09/16/2022 11:21:15 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: BobL

...NATO can finally get Finland and Sweden...
___________________________
Sweden has a new nationalist, populist government. It may or may not find NATO membership advantageous.


91 posted on 09/16/2022 11:26:16 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: Cronos
And no part of Ukraine is 300 miles from Moscow either

It's 350 miles from the center of Moscow to the border of Ukraine.

I'd say that's pretty close, wouldn't you?

92 posted on 09/16/2022 11:36:40 AM PDT by politicket
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To: reformedliberal

“Sweden has a new nationalist, populist government. It may or may not find NATO membership advantageous.”

It would be HYSTERICAL if Sweden disavowed NATO, but still deported their terrorists.

That would leave Party Girl (the Prime Minister of Finland) hanging out alone.


93 posted on 09/16/2022 11:40:18 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 46 degrees)
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To: higgmeister

“You don’t think that a Dictator that has declared he is fighting against decadent Western debauchery is capable of nuking it all when he is totally up against a wall?”

I don’t think that Putin has the power to end Russia in nuclear war when they aren’t even at war and aren’t being attacked by anyone, invaded by anyone, or even under threat from anyone.

Do you think that Putin can just decide that he is getting personally embarrassed in a foreign military operation and decide on his own to launch the Russian nuclear arsenal and take down Russia and the world?


94 posted on 09/16/2022 11:43:35 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Wallace T.

It has also caused Azerbaijan to renew hostilities against Armenia, an old Russian ally. Putin is too preoccupied with Ukraine to assist the Armenians.
_____________________________________

Armenia Appeals To Russia For Military Aid

https://www.azatutyun.am/a/32030896.html

Armenia and Azerbaijan negotiate cease-fire in effort to end recent fighting

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/armenia-and-azerbaijan-negotiate-cease-fire-in-effort-to-end-recent-fighting

Putin reacted swiftly and current situation defused...
until:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-speaker-pelosi-ukraine-war-must-be-won-russia-held-accountable-2022-09-16/

Pelosi confirms snap visit to Armenia after deadly clashes
Reuters

Pelosi declines to state her reasons for the visit.

As Pelosi Confirms Armenia Trip, ANCA Calls on Her to Stop All Military Aid to Azerbaijan

https://asbarez.com/as-pelosi-confirms-armenia-trip-anca-calls-on-her-to-stop-all-military-aid-to-azerbaijan/

Armenian-American Association open letter to Pelosi

This goes beyond Putin.


95 posted on 09/16/2022 11:48:50 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: ansel12

The Big Nuke war that kills all civilization will never happen. Just like Hitler didn’t blanket London with poison gas in 1940. If used they will be deployed in theater in a limited way. No city killers used. Putin has other weapons he can use and deploy them against the US and UK—What are they? 1) Terrorism via Iran and Hezbollah—blow up a few power stations, refineries, or football stadiums. 2) wreck our food production—Bird flu to force us to kill our chickens, Hoof and Mouth disease to kill cattle and milk cows. 3) Spread data real and fake on Biden, Hunter, Harris, Trump, a few leaks to the right people and Americans will be at each other’s throats. 4) targeted assassinations—make sure you have a fall guy—like Iran or North Korea. 5) how about a wee bit of help with Iran’s atomic bomb project? Or with rockets to carry them? Same with other lands. 6) how about a military base in Cuba for the Russian Navy or Air force? A few old bears ready to take off might cause a few worries. How about a warship with nukes harbored in Havana? The Peter the Great Cruiser could anchor there?


96 posted on 09/16/2022 11:58:51 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Just like Hitler didn’t blanket London with poison gas in 1940.

Most likely since Hitler was gassed in the field in WWI served as the reason he chose never to use poison gas during WWII. You would have thought he would especially in Russia.

97 posted on 09/16/2022 12:00:30 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Brookhaven

“Does anyone think Putin will just sit back and let Germany take over Russian oil refineries?”

He’ll turn off all supply of crude and tell all employees if they don’t walk off they’ll never work for a Russian company again.


98 posted on 09/16/2022 12:04:27 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Brookhaven

Moslem nations like Germany will always act against non-believers...


99 posted on 09/16/2022 12:08:24 PM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: Brookhaven

I’ll just say too bad Poland is in the way. Putin would crush Germany like the little bug it is.


100 posted on 09/16/2022 12:09:06 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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