Germany seizes control of Russian-owned oil refineries

Energy Live News ^ | 9-16-22 | Dimitris Mavrokefalidis

[Cronos]

Penn -- no, not quite. Look at German imports of Natural Gas in 2018

Germany obtains 45% of their gas needs from Norway, the Netherlands and other sources. Right off the bat, this is enough for domestic use and heating, even if no cuts are made.

The largest concern is industrial use. Some industries use gas exlusively and can’t even significantly reduce their use. Glass industry is a perfect example, you melt glass in furnaces that are operated 24/7, if they’re allowed to cool down they’re no longer usable. A number of industries require gas to operate and this is the major headache of Germany - how will they remain competitive and open, in the face of high gas prices? Yes, the problem is high price, not lack supply.

[Leaning Right]

I agree with everything you said in your post #140 . And thank you for the reasoned response. Too often the topic degenerates into name-calling matches.

My post #47 was not meant to be from a neutral point of view. Instead I wanted the reader to look at things from the Russian point of view. That does not mean the Russian view is correct!

However, when dealing with any adversary you must take into account how he views things, even if he’s viewing things wrong.

I suppose, in a way, it’s like playing heads-up poker. You shouldn’t consider who has the best hand. Instead, you should consider who your opponent THINKS has the best hand.

See what I mean?

[Cronos]

If Russians really do feel that they need a buffer then they will want to subjugate not only Ukraine but also the Baltics and all of the former eastern bloc.

[Cronos]

Putin is bad for his destruction of Russia and Ukraine