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A Hundred Wrecked Tanks In A Hundred Hours: Ukraine Guts Russia’s Best Tank Army
Forbes ^ | 13-SEP-2022 | David Axe

Posted on 09/14/2022 10:26:26 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas

The Ukrainian army’s counteroffensive around the city of Kharkiv in northeastern Ukraine starting on Sept. 6 destroyed half of the best tank division in the best tank army in the Russian armed forces.

A hundred wrecked or captured tanks in a hundred furious hours. That’s how much destruction the Ukrainians inflicted on the Russian 4th Guards Tank Division, part of the elite 1st Guards Tank Army, the Russian army’s best armor formation.

Now the 1st GTA is retreating north in order to preserve what remains of its front-line divisions. But the damage the tank army has suffered could have lasting implications—and not just for Russia’s 200-day-old wider war in Ukraine.

The 1st GTA “had been one of the most prestigious of Russia’s armies, allocated for the defense of Moscow, and intended to lead counterattacks in the case of a war with NATO,” the U.K. Defense Ministry explained. “It will likely take years for Russia to rebuild this capability.”

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To: SpeedyInTexas

Go Russkies!

Yeah, go home and don’t come back.

The Ukrainians should continue their march and head towards Moscow. It Russia can invade, then, the Ukrainians have the right to take over Russia. ;)

But, taking over Russia will not be possible until the Russia-friendly FR members say it’s okay.


61 posted on 09/14/2022 11:19:20 AM PDT by adorno
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To: SpeedyInTexas
Russian losses from Izium, #Kharkiv Oblast seem to be never-ending - two damaged Russian Tigr infantry mobility vehicles, a damaged BTR-82A APC and a very rare 2S23 Nona-SVK 120mm gun-mortar were captured there by the Ukrainian army.


62 posted on 09/14/2022 11:19:25 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Lurker

Well, let’s see, we don’t get “The Truth” out of the FBI, the the DOJ, the CDC, the Defense Dept, the White House or our Supreme Court so why should any of us expect to get any truth out Ukrainian officials. Hell, they’ve had U.S. Advisors (paid by the U.S. Taxpayer) on the art of lying for years....literally.


63 posted on 09/14/2022 11:20:01 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: Its All Over Except ...
You and others agreeing with you can come back with better Biden regime propaganda later.

Oh, they will.

If there’s one thing they excel at, it’s spamming this site with prolific propaganda.

64 posted on 09/14/2022 11:21:47 AM PDT by Allegra
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To: Its All Over Except ...

That is why you are a troll, you are not keeping up with anything or paying attention to the war, but post nonsense, outdated stuff, unsourced and already discredited claims, “reports are” junk, things that people have already corrected you on and that were discarded days or weeks ago, repeat after repeat of posts of non-relevant things on threads, just anything that you think will get the reaction that you desire and disrupt or hijack a Freerepublic discussion.

And you jump on every thread to do that clown routine and do it a lot.


65 posted on 09/14/2022 11:21:59 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: SpeedyInTexas
Another T-72B3 Obr. 2016 tank was captured by the Ukrainian army in #Kharkiv Oblast in recent days, along with a R-149MA1 command and staff vehicle.


66 posted on 09/14/2022 11:22:33 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Red Badger
Tanks are OBSOLETE as a weapon of war......

Yeah, pretty much. A tank can take a town, but a tank can't hold a town. They are pretty much screwed when they stop moving.

67 posted on 09/14/2022 11:22:53 AM PDT by rexthecat
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To: SpeedyInTexas
They keep coming - two more Russian T-80BV and two T-80U tanks were captured by the Ukrainian forces in #Kharkiv Oblast in recent days.


68 posted on 09/14/2022 11:25:39 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Fai Mao

“I don’t think either side it telling the truth.”

At the least we simply don’t know.

It’s not Ukraine, but Ukraine+EU+America.


69 posted on 09/14/2022 11:26:20 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: SpeedyInTexas
A very valuable Russian R-934BMV UHF jammer from the Borisoglebsk-2 electronic warfare system was captured by the Ukrainian army in #Kharkiv Oblast.


70 posted on 09/14/2022 11:28:03 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Tanks are far from obsolete, the Russians are using them foolishly. They’re sending tanks into battle for the wrong reasons (the primary function of a tank is to kill other tanks) and without adequate support.

The CIA turned Afghanistan into Russia’s Vietnam by giving Stinger anti-aircraft missiles to the Muj. When the Muj started using Stingers to shoot down Russian close air support, CAS refused to fly.

When CAS refused the fly, the tankers refused to leave the motor pool because they knew that without CAS they were sitting ducks. When the armor refused to support them, the infantry refused to leave settlements and built-up areas.

Which left the Russians in control of certain cities but unable to reinforce or resupply them because the Muj controlled the roads into and out of the country, and could threaten any particular airfield with Stinger.

These tankers obviously are too young to remember Afghanistan, else they’d be refusing to roll out of the motorpool, too.

Using tanks in isolation is a waste of manpower and hardware.


71 posted on 09/14/2022 11:30:24 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: SpeedyInTexas
Further losses of the Russian Army in #Kharkiv Oblast; 2S19 Msta-S (Seen with Ukrainian SSO) and 2S3 Akatsiya 152mm SPGs, a T-80BV tank, and a R-149MA1 command and staff vehicle.


72 posted on 09/14/2022 11:30:28 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Still don’t give a rat’s behind.

STOP
SPENDING
MY
GRANDKIDS’
MONEY!!!!


73 posted on 09/14/2022 11:30:36 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: Ancesthntr
... about the only thing that the Ukrainians didn’t do was to invade another country and start a war.

But that's a pretty Big Biggie.

74 posted on 09/14/2022 11:30:46 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: SpeedyInTexas
More captures from the Russian Army in #Kharkiv Oblast by Ukrainian Forces; a BMP-2 IFV, MT-LBVM/K and a 2S3 Akatsiya 152mm SPG.


75 posted on 09/14/2022 11:33:34 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Paal Gulli

Patton playbook for forested/urban areas mandated aggressive infantry patrolling in advance of tanks. Not a fun job but necessary.


76 posted on 09/14/2022 11:35:19 AM PDT by nascarnation (Let's go Brandon!)
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To: All

GOOD!

RUSSIAN SCUM!

KILL ‘EM ALL!


77 posted on 09/14/2022 11:39:33 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: SpeedyInTexas

78 posted on 09/14/2022 11:40:34 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: Its All Over Except ...

“...but how sustainable would up to 12k Ukrainian soldiers dead be to retake an area no bigger than Rhode Island?”


It isn’t the amount of land taken that is significant, it is what you’ve done to the other sides combat effectiveness and morale. If you reduce enemy morale because you gave them a bloody nose when they didn’t expect it, then he’s much less willing to fight in the future, and probably a lot less effective when he does fight. But that’s not a nice, easy, statistic to flaunt like X number of square miles, or Y number of enemy casualties.

Note that I am NOT saying that I believe the Ukrainians OR the Russians; my point is that land captured is not the be all and end all of determining the success (or lack thereof) of a combat operation.


79 posted on 09/14/2022 11:42:34 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Wuli

—”People fighting an existential threat to their homeland, versus a much more heavily armed but poorly led and poorly trained larger military oppomemt.”

... with troop morale “IN THE TOILET” and flushed in a route.

Notice in many photos of captured Russians’ hands tied with a cell phone next to them.

The faster-running Russians will be spreading the word like never before.

‘Russia’ Review: A Nation Prone to Cruelty (From WSJ)
If the American Civil War ended slavery, and the English Civil War restrained the monarchy, what did the Russian Civil War achieve?...

... “Whole worlds were shaking and falling to the ground.”

The collapse of those worlds spawned a tragedy of epochal proportions. What ought the world expect after Putin’s Russia finally comes crashing down?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-review-a-nation-prone-to-cruelty-11663103338


80 posted on 09/14/2022 11:44:06 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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