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Russian elite airborne regiment was completely wiped out in recent days
https://www.defenceview.in ^ | September 14, 2022 | Ankit Verma

Posted on 09/14/2022 8:03:12 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

The Ukrainian army’s offensive continues, and the Russian army’s defeat or “regrouping” in Kharkiv is having an impact across the board. Now, no one knows where the Ukrainian army’s counter-offensive will stop.

With the loss of strategic locations such as Izum, the Russian army is considered to be likely to abandon the entire Kharkov. Of course, even so, I think it will be difficult to hold back. Many of the Russian troops attacked by the Ukrainian army, whether they were regular Russian troops, Donbas militia or Chechen troops, were on the verge of collapse and fled. Some analysts believe that the performance of the Russian army was not even as good as that of the former Afghan government.

At present, the specific losses of the Russian army in this battle are still unclear. In addition to the continued counterattack, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense is still implementing strict front-line information control, and the Russian Ministry of Defense has often avoided talking about the front-line situation.

However, judging from some public reports, the losses of the Russian army are very serious, and for some Russian fans with poor psychological endurance, it is simply a disaster. The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces stated that the 237th Russian Airborne Assault Regiment (Toronsky Airborne Assault Regiment) was completely destroyed in the northeast of Kharkiv, and this is likely not the only loss of the Russian army in this counter-offensive.

The video released by the Ukrainian side shows that a large number of heavy weapons have fallen into the hands of the Ukrainian army, and there are likely to be thousands of them, including advanced T-90M main battle tanks and 2S19M2 self-propelled artillery units. Only a small part of these abandoned heavy weapons were damaged by the Russian army, most of them are intact or can be repaired quickly. Let’s not talk about the Russian army deliberately discarding old equipments.

These captured weapons can not only supplement the Ukrainian army’s battle losses, but also upgrade more Ukrainian mobilized infantry brigades into mechanized brigades, greatly improving their ability to attack fortifications. So many weapons have been seized since the beginning of the war that many analysts think that the United States and other countries just handed Ukraine knives behind their backs, while Russia handed Ukraine a mace in person, calling it Ukraine’s largest military aid country.

A lot of information shows that the Russian army was extremely chaotic in the emergency “regrouping”. In addition to the collapse of many troops and the abandonment of a large amount of equipment, they were still in retreat and even deliberately did not notify the friendly forces at all. Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov angrily declared that when the Russian 20th Army was withdrawing from Izum (which did not appear to have surrendered), the nearby Chechen troops were not notified at all, and all senior officers of the 20th Army were withdrawn.

In an interview with the British “Financial Times”, Ukrainian Defense Minister Reznekov admitted that the smoothness of this counter-offensive far exceeded expectations. In the race, the current priority is to ensure that the Ukrainian army continues to control the recaptured territory and prevent possible Russian counterattacks.

Although there are still some analysts who openly claim that the Russian army is luring the enemy deeper and may counterattack, a source in the Ukrainian army who did not want to be identified told The Economist that the Russian army is likely to lack sufficient strength to counterattack, they are even unable to stop the offensive momentum of the Ukrainian army. The anonymous person also claimed that the important reason for the success of the Ukrainian army’s counter-offensive was to contain the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Even Russian fighter planes with various active and passive defense systems are still suppressed by the Ukrainian air defense network at low and ultra-low altitudes, trapped in a fire network composed of Ukrainian short-range air defense systems and portable air defense missiles. The Russian army has no ability to suppress the air defense of the Ukrainian air defense network at all.

The overall situation of Kharkov has been decided, where will the Ukrainian army exert its strength next? Many people said that while the Ukrainian army was counterattacking, the Russian army also launched an attack in Kherson. If you think about it, you can see how unreliable this is. If the Russian army is going to launch an attack in Kherson, are there enough troops, ammunition, and fuel? ? The Russian army in Kherson has actually become a dead chess game because the main line of communication has been cut off. The latest news shows that the Russian army not only did NOT launch an attack, but instead gave up the strategically important Snykhurivka and concentrated its forces more in city of Kherson, as a whole, retreated 5-10 kilometers, and withdrew to the range of the Russian artillery on the left bank of the Dnieper. It seems that the great success of the Ukrainian army in Kharkov deterred this quasi-lone army in Kherson.

Russian intelligence shows that the Ukrainian army is gathering in Uglidar, ready to make another big move to cut off the connection between Donetsk and Mariupol, and cut off the Russian army front. As for what will happen, it is not easy for us to make predictions. Let’s continue to observe and see how much the Ukrainian counterattack can achieve.


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1 posted on 09/14/2022 8:03:12 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

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“Unconfirmed leaked data from the Armed Forces of Ukraine General Staff:
- The AFU are only 43-48% complete;
- medical workers at the limit of their strength: the seriously wounded are transported to Europe;
- small arms and bulletproof vests are not enough;”

https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1555546218608365568

This was reported on all ober the net amd is backed up by other reports.

And Ukraine reportedly lost 12k in the last week taking an area the size of Rhode Island while Russia has taken more land recently in Southern Ukraine.

Ukraine has lost at least 50% of its regular, trained soldiers, and had no choice but to be involved in an all-in on an offensive attack recently.


2 posted on 09/14/2022 8:13:16 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

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The Dive With Jackson Hinkle

Zelensky is hiding the truth in Ukraine

https://youtu.be/MnK7viGoDbw

English-speaking NATO troops in Kharkiv?

The justification for this by neocons, if true, would be “Putin mean, Russia bad” akin to Clinton saying “Slobo mean, Serbia bad” or Obama saying “Gaddafi mean, Libya bad” to justify NATO involvement in those countries, which was against their defensive charter they attacking offensively and especially so since neither Serbia nor Libya attacked a NATO member.

Ukraine appears to be largely spent.


3 posted on 09/14/2022 8:14:50 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Its All Over Except ... The Putin Stooges Crying.


4 posted on 09/14/2022 8:21:34 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
About the Kharkov "offensive":

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/special-military-operation-season

This was not an operational trap by Russia, but neither was it a victory in battle for Ukraine - for the simple reason that there was not much of a battle at all. Russia had already hollowed out these positions, and withdrew the remaining screening forces very quickly. Ukraine covered a lot of ground, but were unable to destroy any Russian units, because there really weren’t any there.

It would be silly to try to talk the Ukrainian side out of their excitement right now. Credit where credit is due, they did manage to put together a good sized shock group, aim it at a weak portion of the front, and regain a good bit of ground. Considering the abject lack of successes for Ukraine in this war, they are rightfully trying to eke every last bit of morale and propaganda out of this.

I do not, however, believe that the territorial losses in Kharkov in any way change the ultimate calculus of the war. Russia hollowed out this front and surrendered ground, but they were able to maul the Ukrainian forces as they advanced with relentless artillery and airstrikes. Ukrainian channels widely report overflowing hospitals. The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed 4,000 killed and 8,000 wounded for Ukraine during their advance - I believe this is high, but even if we reduce the numbers by 50% (leaving us with 6,000 total casualties, reasonable given how much ordnance Russia discharged) it is very clear that the loss ratios in this operation were stacked badly against Ukraine, as they always are.

5 posted on 09/14/2022 8:29:18 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...
[snip] ...the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense is still implementing strict front-line information control, and the Russian Ministry of Defense has often avoided talking about the front-line situation. However, judging from some public reports, the losses of the Russian army are very serious, and for some Russian fans with poor psychological endurance, it is simply a disaster. The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces stated that the 237th Russian Airborne Assault Regiment (Toronsky Airborne Assault Regiment) was completely destroyed in the northeast of Kharkiv, and this is likely not the only loss of the Russian army in this counter-offensive. [/snip]

6 posted on 09/14/2022 8:29:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Its All Over Except ... The Putin Stooges Crying.

Isn't it more beneficial for the stooges supporting Ukraine to keep this thing rolling so that the American taxpayer can continue to be fleeced?

7 posted on 09/14/2022 8:29:57 AM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (F*ck Joe Biden!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

and lying.


8 posted on 09/14/2022 8:31:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh
The Brave Ukrainians sure did show a good return for the bucks...


9 posted on 09/14/2022 8:33:34 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Its All Over Except ... The Putin Stooges Crying.”

The only stooges are you idiots supporting Zelensky and Biden fleecing the American taxpayers to continue to give Ukraine our money so the democraps and the military industrial complex can enrich themselves through money laundering and selling military equipment.


10 posted on 09/14/2022 8:35:00 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: Its All Over Except ...

In WWII, the loss of skilled, experienced military men resulted in the turning of the tide in the air forces of both Germany and Japan. Planes were replaced far quicker than pilots who could make good use of them. The same went for Kraut tank commanders.

I wonder if that is the case with the Ukraine/Russian military in this conflict, and does the phenomenon extend to the infantry? They can replace tanks, missiles, drones, and artillery, but how quickly can they replace their casualties with effective fighters?

It would be nice to have unbiased information, but I guess we’ll have to wait a few years for that.


11 posted on 09/14/2022 8:35:33 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
More on that Kharkov "offensive", not that Mom cares how many Ukrainians were slaughtered. Ukrainian lives don't matter to her, neocons or globalists.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/the-kharkov-counterattack-was-not-a-big-success.html#more

All have fallen for the believe that the Ukrainian rapid advance has caused a Russian defeat. That however is not the case.

The main Russian forces had already left the area. What was left were sentry guards of the Luhansk People's Republic and a few companies of the Russian National Guard which is more or less a police force. That is why the 'western' official talking with Reuters is quite cautious with his assessment:

"There's an ongoing debate about the nature of the Russian drawdown, however it's likely that in strict military terms, this was a withdrawal, ordered and sanctioned by the general staff, rather than an outright collapse."

...

"Obviously, it looks really dramatic. It's a vast area of land. But we have to factor in the Russians have made some good decisions in terms of shortening their lines and making them more defensible, and sacrificing territory in order to do so," the official said, adding he did not expect Russia to immediately seek to regain lost territory.

The main Russian reason for holding onto Izium southeast of Kharkov was to use it as a springboard to attack Sloviansk and Kramatorsk along the M-03 highway. However over the last months several Russian attempts to cross the Siverski Donets river south and east of Izium and to establish a bridgehead on the southern side had failed.

The Ukrainians were well established in the 'Sherwood Forest' on the southern side and had defeated all attempts to push a larger Russian forces into the area. (According to Yves Smith Alexander Mercouris had made that point and predicted a Russian withdrawal from Izium in one of his shows before the Kharkov 'counteroffensive' started.) I myself had missed that point.

The region, which is sparsely populated (Izium had a pre-war population of some 40,000), has little additional value. Russian forces that had been there shortly after the war began had been pulled out over time to rotate into other areas.

According Colonel Markus Reisner from the Austrian military the Ukraine used six full brigades (vid) in its attack. If Russian Defense Ministry numbers are halfway right the Ukrainian forces lost some 4,000+ soldiers, nearly two brigades, in the attack. These were troops that ran into areas that the Russian artillery had pre-registered. They received barrage after barrage and were destroyed.

The Russian air force caused additional damage. Hundreds of tanks and armored vehicles the 'west' had delivered to Ukraine were destroyed. Talk of large Russian material losses and of thousands of Russians taken prisoners of war are nonsense.

12 posted on 09/14/2022 8:35:40 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Russian Airborne Assault Regiment (Toronsky Airborne Assault Regiment) ...wiped out..


Airborne troops are nothing more then light infantry once their feet hit the ground. If used wisely they can be a game changer, if used poorly you lose your troops.

What is the truth here? Only time will tell.


13 posted on 09/14/2022 8:35:58 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

It would be cheaper and more efficient if the Ukrainians offered the demoralized Russians a cash bounty to surrender intact armored vehicles and tanks.


14 posted on 09/14/2022 8:37:25 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Its All Over Except ... The Putin Stooges Crying.

If you had an ounce of humility you would realize that you know nothing.

That is not an insult; it is a statement of the fact concerning the current situation. THEY'RE ALL LYING.

15 posted on 09/14/2022 8:38:28 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

That blue area is unconfirmed as this and others show on maps.

Secondly, it doesn’t include new areas taken recently by Russia in the south.

Third, it exaggerates the area taken by Ukraine recently as reports by The Guardian, Democracy Now, and others say Ukraine only took 1,000 sq km, not 6k, claimed by Zel.

Try using other propaganda next time.


16 posted on 09/14/2022 8:42:29 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Its All Over Except ...

It’s an accurate enough map.

Secondly if you have to nickle and dime on kilometers your Terror Invasion is not going well.


17 posted on 09/14/2022 8:46:48 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Its All Over Except ...
Ukraine has lost at least 50% of its regular, trained soldiers

You're not even a good liar

Ukraine has 250,000 troops in their armed forces

and you seriously expect us to believe they've already lost 125,000 or more? in 6 months??

you're hallucinating, troll


18 posted on 09/14/2022 8:49:41 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Jeff Chandler
Its All Over Except ... The Putin Stooges Crying.

If you had an ounce of humility you would realize that you know nothing.

19 posted on 09/14/2022 8:49:45 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The Guardian, Democracy Now, and others reported yesterday that 1,000 square kilometers were retaken by Ukraine, not Zel’s claimed 6000 sq km.

The BBC reported today and yesterday that about 1/5 of Ukraine has been conquered by Russia.

So retaking 1k to 6k square kilometers of 1/5 of Ukraine turns out to be a paltry percentage (less than 1% to around 5% of what Russia has conquered) and especially paltry given that Russia has made recent advancements into other areas of southern Ukraine.

The Ukrainian army has already said publicly they are worried” about defending it.

And reports are up to 12k Ukrainian casualties taking an area no bigger than Rhode Island.

To the last Ukrainian...the new MIC battle cry.


20 posted on 09/14/2022 8:52:09 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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