Posted on 09/09/2022 3:16:11 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
That does explain 20 wasted years in Afghanistan.
I figure the Russians will just leave. They may pull out in an organized manner or the bulk of them will just individually go home.
It remains to be seen what will be left of the Donets militias after the Russian subsidies stop.
No need for ceremonies. Whoever is running things in Moscow wont want any sort of ceremony, for all sorts of reasons, no matter their political position.
True, Crimea is much more defensible.
The Ukrainians should have been able to hold at Perekop, had it not been that nearly all of that assigned brigade was out of position. There were squirrelly things going on in the Ukrainian command.
The only way I can see the Russians losing Crimea is if the Russians are in some sort of panic, and are “bounced” by a determined Ukrainian advance.
In other words you and NATO have zero idea what to expect. The Americans are the ones who’ve apparently insisted on surrender and withdraw as they torpedoed the peace talks in March. I fully doubt there has even been any consideration given to the prospect of how this ends. That is par for the course as they gave no thought to the dire consequences of their reckless and unnecessary plan to expand NATO into Ukraine. What about regime change? Truss is on board. The absolute best case scenario is this is a generational, continued $500M/day new Cold War quagmire. Otherwise, your idiots in Brussels and DC will have started WWIII over the continuation of “well SOB, the prosecutor got fired”. I see “surrender and withdraw” and ask why and how? DC will unquestionably make the final decision on how wide this war spreads and what the Russians must do to make it painful enough for Washington to surrender and withdrawal. That’s the childishness in me. You obviously have the sophisticated DC attitude that Putin will cry “uncle” and miraculously its 2019 in Ukraine again.
No way they just leave. Contrary to the narrative, Putin did not do this as the first step of a revanchist Soviet Union. Ukraine was the last domino to fall, putting the NATO behemoth on his border, 300 miles from Moscow. He was forced to act. The situation is much more dire now for him and Moscow. There is no way Putin will live through a surrender and withdrawal. You must remember, NATO has escalated their proxy war with Russia all the way up to unlimited quantities of their most advanced, destructive conventional weapons. Russia has yet to escalate. Putin will escalate this before he dies. That escalation may very well eventually reach out to touch you and me and everyone we know.
Oh, I agree with you. If “Surrender and withdraw” occurs it will be when western consumers can no longer suffer the economic consequences of this madness and demand NATO withdraw.
Nato behemoth?
Nato had just about disappeared. All the major European militaries (save Poland) were cobwebbed and moribund. The single greatest expense item in Euro military budgets were pensions.
This argument is pure Russian propaganda.
And Ukraine has absolutely not received “the most advanced, destructive conventional weapons”. That is absurd. Ukraine has gotten very vanilla stuff, nearly all of which has been in service for 20 years or more. The HIMARS munitions with GPS (a very simple upgrade) were introduced in 2005. The basic system is the same as the MLRS of the early 1980s. The big ticket items were just plain 155mm artillery and its ammo. The HARM missile version they got is the AGM-88 from 1985. The Harpoons are of a similar age.
The US has not supplied the ATACMS munitions for HIMARS/MLRS, or the Russians would really have something to complain about. No tanks, no IFVs, no cruise missiles either.
You could perhaps expound on which specific weapons have been supplied and why they are so extraordinary.
Cathi has yet to meet a convicted pedophile they did not end up admiring.
There were no real Russian soldiers at Balikliya and those paratroopers you read about were just there to pull the reservists out safely.
“There were no real Russian soldiers at Balikliya and those paratroopers you read about were just there to pull the reservists out safely.”
Russians would be insane to let Soros, newsome and Obama win this one. The Europeans and leftists here are using Ukraine to cover up their crimes in going green.
The green crowd must have Russian leadership replaced, just like they did with Ukraine. Zel is a puppet, installed by the same puppet masters of Obama.
These puppet masters are not playing hashtag wars. They are serious.
They require Russia to be led by a puppet like every other nation.
Putin is a lot of things, but he has resisted the full on globalism they seek.
With winter coming Russians are winning this one.
The European masses are upset… isn’t that a good sign.
Stop letting Ukrainians die to cover up this global scam.
Zelensky is getting how much of our money.
Trying to picture Japanese officials demanding a US surrender somewhere around late July of 45. I don't think the Japanese ever had that much chutzpah...
“In other words you and NATO have zero idea what to expect. The Americans are the ones who’ve apparently insisted on surrender and withdraw as they torpedoed the peace talks in March.”
Nice try, Sparky.
No one expects Russia to surrender (though some of its troops have and will continue to do so). Surrender implies giving up one’s weapons and placing one in the hands and control of another. Russia is not going to do that in Ukraine, especially after all the damage and carnage it has created. But it is possible for Russia to withdraw from Ukraine and take its stuff with it. No one — especially Ukraine — is going to pursue the Russians after they have returned to Russia, and no one is going to start bombing Russian towns and cities if there is a Russian withdrawal from Ukraine.
Russia is a bully, and always has been. It has historically threatened its neighbors. Hell, in just the last thirty years Russia has invaded Chechnya (twice), Georgia, and Ukraine. But the thing with bullies is they never expect much resistance from its victims, but when there is resistance — strong resistance — Russia generally cries FOUL! Russia, as all bullies, will not attack someone who can fight back, but can also destroy it.
The globalists are Putin and his pal Xi. The globalists have lost ever since they lost the battle of Hostomel
There have been a number of battles. This is a war, the war of Putin’s invasion of Ukraine
Your Kremlin sources are hilarious. Why are you guys retreating if so much equipment is being destroyed?
Putin is losing
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