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Former top Pentagon officials warn of "extreme strain" on civilian-military relations
Axios ^ | 2022-09-06 | Ivana Saric

Posted on 09/06/2022 2:51:00 PM PDT by Salman

The U.S. is experiencing an "exceptionally challenging" environment for the relationship between military and civilian parts of society, a large group of former Pentagon leaders warned in an open letter published Tuesday.

Why it matters: The letter, which cited political polarization and other social changes, was signed by eight former defense secretaries and five former Joint Chiefs chairmen from both Republican and Democratic administrations.

Among the signatories were two of former President Trump's defense secretaries, Jim Mattis and Mark Esper.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deepstate; jimmattis; markesper; military; tyranny
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To: Rowdyone
Notice how they didn’t address recruiting since they’ve screwed up the military with their social engineering.

They just did, just not all...direct like. Call it circumstantially. Read between the lines.

41 posted on 09/06/2022 5:13:09 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Rowdyone
Here is the letter itself instead of someone else's take on it.

To Support and Defend: Principles of Civilian Control and Best Practices of Civil-Military Relations

IMO they're fighting a multi-front war and they've already lost the war before the first battle is over.

There's no tu-tu's in combat!

42 posted on 09/06/2022 5:22:25 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Saintgermain

Yep, absolutely. Same with the Republican party, they are just utter wuss bags when it comes to fighting back.


43 posted on 09/06/2022 5:23:30 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free, the USA will never have equal justice under the law)
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To: Rowdyone
There's no tu-tu's in combat!

Don't laugh. Think about what we thought would never be possible 4 years ago.

44 posted on 09/06/2022 5:26:52 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Salman

It’s over.

https://mises.org/library/living-reality-military-economic-fascism


45 posted on 09/06/2022 5:30:14 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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To: nascarnation

“We know the leadership is “woke”.”

Outside of the five sided puzzle palace, a very small number of the “leadership” is woke.

I know of several general officers as well as countless brigade and battalion commanders who are very pro-America and have stated behind closed doors that they are upset with this administration and all the social experimentation BS that’s been happening in the military. I know a few senior NCO’s who feel the same.

“But I wonder when TSHTF will some of the front liners be on our side?”

The rank and file for the most part will be on our side. Just like in society, there are going to be a few leftist radicals, but they are vastly outnumbered.

If you want a small glimpse at what the military thinks of biden, just pull up video of when he visited the troops in Poland. The division commander didn’t look too impressed with xidens speech, and the sergeant major looked pissed. The troops having lunch with biden were laughing at him.


46 posted on 09/06/2022 5:47:06 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (One Nation, Under Fraud Completely Visible, With Spying and Lying To All.)
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To: Salman
The military can’t even come close to their recruiting targets. They keep doubling down on woke and stupid. It certainly doesn’t help when there is a mentally defective, corrupt and fraudulently elected CIC. The Joint Chiefs have exposed themselves. They care not about the men under their command. They care not about American.

Let’s be absolutely clear. Our nation has been lead by lying globalists that don’t give a damn about winning wars or how many young Americans are killed or crippled. They are abject failures. That includes Clinton, Bush/Cheney, Obama and Biden. When some hayseed kid from the heart of America sees that, he says “no thank you, I’m not enlisting.” Tens of thousands of other soldiers are not re-enlisting after they find out what a sham our military is.

47 posted on 09/06/2022 5:49:22 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA ( Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: Salman
That letter is a bunch of bureaucratic mush:

Civilian control is also exercised within the executive branch for policy development and implementation by the interagency process, which empowers civilian political appointees who serve at the pleasure of the president and career officials in the civil service to shape the development of plans and options, with the advice of the military, for decision by the president.

I mean, ugh. Have those guys never heard of a run-on sentence?

48 posted on 09/06/2022 5:53:58 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Salman
That letter is a bunch of bureaucratic mush:

Civilian control is also exercised within the executive branch for policy development and implementation by the interagency process, which empowers civilian political appointees who serve at the pleasure of the president and career officials in the civil service to shape the development of plans and options, with the advice of the military, for decision by the president.

I mean, ugh. Have those guys never heard of a run-on sentence?

49 posted on 09/06/2022 5:58:24 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: stanne

Matt is is dead to me. He means nothing.


50 posted on 09/06/2022 6:02:06 PM PDT by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: Salman

People in the USA are realizing it’s no longer “our” military, and the realization goes both ways.
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The ONLY way the credibility of the military will ever be restored in this country will be by the enactment of laws that criminalize any and all political involvement of everyone serving in the Armed Forces.


51 posted on 09/06/2022 6:16:53 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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To: nascarnation

But I wonder when TSHTF will some of the front liners be on our side?
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I certainly wouldn’t count on that.


52 posted on 09/06/2022 6:17:57 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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To: stanne

Military staff can never ever ever criticize the CIC.
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It should be a felony and grounds for court martial at a minimum.


53 posted on 09/06/2022 6:20:15 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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To: Salman

Nazis in our government who entertain these lines of thought fail to remember that the military is still made up of civilians by birth who have God, family and friends first and foremost not some tin government.
The ruination of the sanctity of the populous is their ongoing effort though.
Y fjb has denounced Making America Great Again and we the populous populous in toto.
Put a stop to fjb, xpeach him 2023 with company and prejudice for all.
Note: xpeach applies to notpresidents, and fjb is not president . Can’t impeach if the glove don’t fit. You heard it here.


54 posted on 09/06/2022 6:25:55 PM PDT by Recompennation (Don’t blame me my vote didn’t count so mee s)
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To: Jonny7797

“I’m starting to doubt it. The left realized the right have a lot of guns. Their response was to take over the military and fund BLM. As a result, we’re seeing a more brazen attitude from Democrats now.”

The last estimate/guess I heard was that there are between 500-800 million firearms in private hands in the United States. The military knows it cannot overcome that and the girly-men on the Left would find out in short order.


55 posted on 09/06/2022 6:27:46 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Yep. Once the Marxists control the military, it’s all over. This is why I pray every night that we take the midterms and 2024 and we get some real conservatives in office to clean out this sh*t because we are heading light speed towards a full blown tyranny.
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The Marxists have always had the backing of tens of millions of stupid peasants who are absolutely incapable of comprehending when and/or how they are being manipulated.


56 posted on 09/06/2022 6:28:37 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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To: AnthonySoprano

Vindman and Milley were telling other countries to ignore Trump.
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And in any truly civilized country they would have been summarily hanged.


57 posted on 09/06/2022 6:30:20 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

It may already be too late, they control the elections apparatus now.


58 posted on 09/06/2022 6:30:50 PM PDT by 38special (I should've said something earlier)
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To: Salman

I don’t trust the military leaders. Would you. O-5 and below maybe.


59 posted on 09/06/2022 6:34:12 PM PDT by wgmalabama (Censored!)
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To: old curmudgeon

The Constitution puts the military under the control of civilians for a good reason.
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Obviously the Constitution has become a dead letter, ignored by the entire leadership of the country.


60 posted on 09/06/2022 6:34:22 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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