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Kherson Counteroffensive: Why Is Ukraine Silent If Its Forces Are Winning?
International Business Times ^ | 9/2/22 | Sunny Peter

Posted on 09/03/2022 12:49:42 PM PDT by JonPreston

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To: Widget Jr
The counteroffensive is in progress. Victory or failure can not be determined yet

Your statement acknowledges that this article could be accurate, while all your "Ukraine is winning" postings might be wrong.

41 posted on 09/03/2022 3:09:17 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: A strike

News reports.


42 posted on 09/03/2022 3:27:57 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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To: SkyDancer

“News reports.”
Seriously ?!?!


43 posted on 09/03/2022 4:05:41 PM PDT by A strike (LGBFJRoberts)
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Yes. I read news reports from outside the US, like, you know, unbiased and all that. You want your truth? You go watch CNN - now while you can before they implode.


44 posted on 09/03/2022 4:26:45 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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Yeah, right, “news reports”, like, you know,
they’re from all over, so they’re truth right?

CNN ref is a stupid red herring.


45 posted on 09/03/2022 5:14:05 PM PDT by A strike (LGBFJRoberts)
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To: delta7

https://t.me/intelslava/36346

Live footage of the Ukie Kherson massacre. Advancing over flat plains, cut down by Vlads artillery. Not a word from western MSM.


46 posted on 09/03/2022 5:45:11 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Widget Jr

The Kherson offensive is going to take months
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Sorry, the “offensive” is finished. Live footage of the Ukies advancing over the flat plains, only to be severely “reduced” by Vlads artillery.

https://t.me/intelslava/36346

The 128th mountain assault brigade from the Ukrainian Transcarpatia region was involved in the general attack and got destroyed. The governor of the region reportedly ordered a day of mourning.


47 posted on 09/03/2022 5:52:28 PM PDT by delta7
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To: sockmonkey

Cannon Fodder supported by the West. Who will replace the men used as ground meat?
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Vlad buries his soldiers with full military ceremony, unfortunately, the Ukie casualties are not afforded the same, 18-60 year olds ordered into one of Vlad’s cauldrons, encircled, blown to pieces by hellish artillery and air power, bodies left where they fell, then shoveled into mass pits dug with Ivan’s bulldozers on some unknown, unmarked field.

Defiance ( looks grand in Hollywood movies) does not win wars. But then their leader is an ex comedian, quite familiar with Hollywood- Hey Z, this ain’t Hollywood, wake up.


48 posted on 09/03/2022 6:08:30 PM PDT by delta7
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From the report, “ ……I have to admit that the medical instruction results considered being of high level. Ukrainian troops show good knowledge and skills in handling with wounded and coping injuries…..”

That written assessment says a lot, while not meeting even basic western soldiering requirements, they seem to have much experience in handling their wounded….Vlads meat grinder will do that.


49 posted on 09/03/2022 6:14:40 PM PDT by delta7
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Because sometimes it is a good idea to reduce the amount of information available about the locations and plans of an army.

Data shows little change in the front lines over the last six months, with the Russians gaining ground in some areas and the Ukrainians recapturing ground near Kherson.

This map shows the areas of change. Russia paid a tremendous price for 612 sq km of Ukraine.


50 posted on 09/03/2022 6:45:24 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: delta7
The same Intel Slava Z who believes two French Caesar howitzers were captured from behind Ukrainian lines, moved to Russian held territory, and flown to Russia in under 48 hours. Despite that there is no airport in Russian held Ukraine that can operate transport planes big enough to carry them. By coincidence, this was after France announced they were delivering a dozen Caesar systems to Ukraine.

https://carpathia.gov.ua/news/sohodni-na-zakarpatti-den-zhaloby-za-polehlymy-biitsiamy-128-i-ohshbr. There is a memorial service for members of the 128th who were killed liberating Kherson. That is 100% true. There are no sources other than Russian propaganda like Intel Slave Z saying they were wiped out.

51 posted on 09/03/2022 7:05:08 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦)
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Despite that there is no airport in Russian held Ukraine that can operate transport planes big enough to carry them.
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I guess you are limited in your thought process. Without divulging my background, are you aware that many types of field pieces ( and equipment) are easily disassembled in the field into sub assemblies for transport? Been there, done that.

I am quite sure the tube and targeting system was the primary “ assembly” of interest, chassis not so much…..that said, who ever said the captured 19 ton 50 MPH Caesars were air lifted? Ivan moves hundreds of tons of artillery shells a day, ever see the videos of the miles long ammo trains moving ordnance into Ukraine?


52 posted on 09/03/2022 8:19:43 PM PDT by delta7
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No he didn’t - but that’s what the press said.

Putin had Zelensky all focused on an attack on Kiev.....it was a bluff while he took the areas he wanted one after the other.


53 posted on 09/04/2022 12:34:08 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: JonPreston
Are those Russians raising the Ukrainian flag?


54 posted on 09/04/2022 10:41:22 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

Easy does it Bush boy.


55 posted on 09/04/2022 10:44:52 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: caww

And now they’re stuck, can’t even retreat since the bridges have been blow, can’t get supplies either.


56 posted on 09/04/2022 3:09:20 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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There’s other ways for supplies than bridges. ...as well as to retreat. But i doubt Russia’s interested in retreating.


57 posted on 09/04/2022 3:17:06 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: delta7
I can't believe people think moving equipment has to be over a bridge. Or anything else for that matter. My gosh there's boats, helicopters, amphibian and various other means.
58 posted on 09/04/2022 3:20:51 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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I can’t believe people think moving equipment has to be over a bridge. Or anything else for that matter. My gosh there’s boats, helicopters, amphibian and various other means.
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Nor I. However, remember only 5-6 percent of Americans are veterans. Much fewer served in our land forces.
That said, they have no perception or any idea how efficient, massive , and equipped Ivan’s army is. The EU landscape is filled with rivers, hundreds of thousands of bridges…without huge numbers of engineering units and their pontoon bridges, an “ Army” is relegated to defensive operations only, defeat.
NATO has very little in the way of pontoon and river crossing equipment.

Today’s Nato is not the Nato of the 60’s, 70’s. Unlike Russia, the West believes their old European tactics are antiquated - they are mistaken. Vlad’s decades old doctrine of building and maintaining massive artillery, and engineering units is working in defeating Nato’s “ modern” western war doctrine, at least in the EU landscape.

Lastly, the EU is broke….and Vlad is kicking the West’s rear end in the economic theatre.


59 posted on 09/04/2022 4:55:11 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

I have zero military expereince and certainly not a vet. However common sense does come into play ....following patterns....and observing the battlefield as well as (frankly) who is controlling the land. You can get a broad view of who is ahead in this conflict - and it isn’t Ukraine. All their reisisting and pushing has brought nothing but death.

I still haven’t gotten out of my head the video of a Ukraianian soldier all out of breath and sweating, hardly able to talk telling how the soldiers were dropping like flies. ......How much I disdain Zelesnky can’t be defined for putting his people in a loosing battle every single day. Citizens and soldiers alike and the false hope he pounds into their heads.


60 posted on 09/04/2022 5:41:17 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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