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Who is Winning the Russo-Ukrainian War?
The American Conservative ^ | August 18, 2022 | Doug Bandow

Posted on 08/21/2022 4:41:13 PM PDT by Navy Patriot

What’s happening in the nearly six-month-old Russo-Ukrainian war? It’s hard to say. Moscow expected a proverbial cakewalk and bungled its initial attack. After rebuffing Russia’s assault, the Zelensky government expanded its objectives, expressing its desire to reconquer portions of the Donbas seized by separatists with Russian support in 2014, as well as Crimea, which had been formally annexed by Moscow.

In recent months, however, Russian forces have made slow progress in the Donbas and now occupy a fifth or more of Ukrainian territory. But Ukraine and its advocates have been threatening counteroffensives against Moscow’s supposedly overstretched forces. Conflicting claims have been made about casualty levels, the impact of high-tech allied weapons sent to Ukraine, and both sides' prospects in the war.

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Alas, governments, including Washington, also lie to their own people. Virtually everything the George W. Bush administration claimed to justify its disastrous invasion of Iraq was false. Prior administrations and their allies shared fake atrocities to back earlier military interventions against Yugoslavia and Iraq. The Reagan administration made a series of unfounded statements after the U.S. shoot-down of the Iranian airliner in the Persian Gulf in 1988. And the Johnson administration used spurious claims of a North Vietnamese attack on U.S. forces to win passage of the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which authorized deployments that metastasized into the Vietnam War, in which 58,000 Americans died

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bloggers; businessisgood; dougbandow; militaryindustrial; natolapdog; russia; tothelastukie; ukraine; warisbusiness; zottherussiantrolls
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1 posted on 08/21/2022 4:41:13 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

Russia. Period.


2 posted on 08/21/2022 4:42:43 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: Navy Patriot

bidens accounts.. 10% for the big guy.

Everyone else is losing.


3 posted on 08/21/2022 4:42:44 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Navy Patriot

no one


4 posted on 08/21/2022 4:42:49 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Navy Patriot

The corrupt sobs who are skimming their ten percent off the war industries.


5 posted on 08/21/2022 4:43:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Ukrainian politicians


6 posted on 08/21/2022 4:44:12 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Navy Patriot

Xi, of course .


7 posted on 08/21/2022 4:45:45 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Navy Patriot

It’s a stalemate.


8 posted on 08/21/2022 4:46:15 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Navy Patriot

“Ukraine and its advocates have been threatening counteroffensives against”

They better skip to it cuz fall mud season is about to hit.


9 posted on 08/21/2022 4:48:29 PM PDT by crz
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To: achilles2000; Alberta's Child; Allegra; ANKE69; BlackbirdSST; BobL; C210N; Cathi; caver; ...

*MAGA First/Anti-War/Anti-Globalist Ping*

If you want on or off this list, please let me know.


10 posted on 08/21/2022 4:49:09 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wars of attrition favor the side with a larger population. That is what this has devolved into.


11 posted on 08/21/2022 4:50:10 PM PDT by Fai Mao
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To: Navy Patriot

Given that everyone here has access to the same sources, I’m starting to wonder if the people here claiming that Russia is losing, and especially those constantly posting articles to that effect, should get a bit of a ‘cooling off period’ after the truth of this war finally makes it into the Western media.


12 posted on 08/21/2022 4:52:37 PM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: Navy Patriot

Since the battleground is solely in Ukraine, if the war is still going on, they aren’t winning.


13 posted on 08/21/2022 4:54:01 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: Navy Patriot

He gives us history but doesn’t address the question he asks unless you consider the answer to be ‘everyone lies’.


14 posted on 08/21/2022 4:54:37 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: BenLurkin

Who is winning? UKRAINE! They are handing the Russians their butts. The supper weapons we gave them have unmasked Russia as a paper tiger. Their vaunted warships only good for man made reefs. There tanks only good for burning their own crews alive. Their generals only good for target practice. Their jets unable to dominate the skies. We should have put in the No Fly Zone—so as to let Ukraine retake all they lost and more of Russia. Nuke war? Ha ha! They will not work or be a threat to us. They might have been a danger 40 years ago—But Not today! They quake at the thought we would strike them so they will not launch anything. It was all just talk. A first strike would take down the whole rotten country, let China have the east, and Ukraine and Poland the west. Let Putin be their last leader. This is a great day for Democracy.


15 posted on 08/21/2022 4:55:36 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: Fai Mao

I question whether history actually bears this out. Particularly recent history. I think it has much more to do with the will to fight. There is a home team advantage there. Occupiers can be worn down. Again recent history supports this.


16 posted on 08/21/2022 4:56:14 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: BenLurkin

That’s right. $ being sent to Ukraine is basically going into a giant Slush Fund.

Many of the weapons being sent to Ukraine are being sold on the black market.


17 posted on 08/21/2022 4:56:27 PM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: cymbeline

We sure aren’t winning.


18 posted on 08/21/2022 4:56:43 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Can’t tell if you’re serious or satirical. In any event, not at all sure why you’re posting to me on this.


19 posted on 08/21/2022 4:57:29 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Lockheed, Raytheon are winning


20 posted on 08/21/2022 4:57:59 PM PDT by PGR88
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