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On the Kherson front lines, little sign of a Ukrainian offensive
The Washington Post ^ | August 12, 2022 | Multiple authors

Posted on 08/12/2022 8:24:14 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101

MYKOLAIV REGION, Ukraine - On the front line in southeast Ukraine, there is little sign that a major counteroffensive is brewing.

For weeks, Western intelligence and military analysts have predicted that a Ukrainian campaign to retake the strategic port city of Kherson and surrounding territory is imminent. But in trenches less than a mile from Russia's positions in the area, Ukrainian soldiers hunker down from an escalating onslaught of artillery, with little ability to advance.

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But time is slipping if Ukraine is to meet President Volodymyr Zelensky's stated goal of winning the war by the end of the year, and the current situation on the ground raises the prospect of a long, grinding stalemate instead. Residents who have fled villages in the Kherson region have described Russian forces moving in reinforcements, and officials have eyed those troop movements warily.

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The progress Ukrainian forces had made here in recent months - recapturing a string of villages from Russia's control - has largely stalled, with soldiers exposed in the open terrain.

(Excerpt) Read more at stripes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ditko; elenskystooges; generalpavel; generalpavelapproves; pavelgoestokherson; tothelastukie; ukraine; war; zelenskystooges; zelenskyystooges
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In my opinion, the best (and only) hopes that the Ukraine forces have at this time are these:

1. They absolutely MUST keep Russian forces on the east side of the Dnieper River (and potentially to the east of the Southern Bug River on the way to Odessa if the Russians make it to Mykolaiv). This is why there is so much focus currently by the Ukrainians on attacking the bridges spanning the Dnieper (including the bridge in Kherson). This also could include attacking the Kerch Strait bridge (Crimea bridge). Holding off Russian advances across the river, and cutting off Russian supply lines, is critical.

If the Ukrainians are not able to accomplish #1, then the war is probably lost, I think. This is their best shot at preventing Russia from obtaining what her objectives seem to be (control of the east and south of Ukraine).

If #1 is not accomplished, then my guess is that you're looking at more unrealistic scenarios to hold off the Russian advance, like:

2. Influx of (declared) foreign troops into Ukraine. Not mercenaries, but like the army of Poland. That kind of thing. Or NATO forces.

3. Some kind of truly game-altering weaponry or amount of weaponry that would radically alter the landscape. HIMARS and Harpoons are helping in this regard, but it remains to be seen if they will be enough.

The HIMARS have given Ukraine the ability to out-distance the Russian artillery and attack the Dnieper bridges. That gives Ukraine a chance.

We'll see if it is enough, in the end. From the sounds of this Washington Post article, not sure it will be enough for the Ukrainians.

1 posted on 08/12/2022 8:24:14 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101
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To: AmericaFirst101

If the ukronazis surrender now they might make it through the winter without starving and freezing...


2 posted on 08/12/2022 8:30:59 PM PDT by ganeemead (There is no definition of patriotism that includes stooging or siding with Nazis against Christians.)
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To: ganeemead

That’s another factor in all this. The winter yet to come.


3 posted on 08/12/2022 8:31:57 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: AmericaFirst101

So much for the ‘Million Man March’ that Zelensky promised.

It seems that Ukraine was serious about it, though as they moved some of their best units down there, which is why they’re now getting demolished up in Donbass (where those units had been).

The problem was every time they tried to move east towards Kherson, they got pummeled as there is no natural cover there and without control of the airspace, not a chance.


4 posted on 08/12/2022 8:32:12 PM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: AmericaFirst101
This is the war of artillery. The Russians have more munitions, they can use up their Soviet stock. The Ukrainians have to depend on the West to rearm.

Seems like a stalemate. Neither side is strong enough to take the initative at this point.

5 posted on 08/12/2022 8:35:06 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: BobL

Zelensky is too focused on sodomy issues these days. Gotta look good for that Vanity Fair spread.


6 posted on 08/12/2022 8:38:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: BobL

Agreed on all points.

I do think that Ukraine is doing their best to mobilize, but it’s not easy. They are taking heavy losses, especially in the east. It mounts up, including in lost morale that makes it harder to get/keep new fighters.

It does seem that Ukraine is trying to move more forces out of the Donbass and south towards Kherson. That’s probably something they should have done before, in my opinion. Just to minimize the losses in the east, if no other reason.

The flat plain between Mykolaiv and Kherson is a potential killing field for anyone who tries to cross it, no doubt. Especially, as you said, without cover fire.

For me, this is all about the bridges (at least for now). Of course the fighting will continue in the east, with Russia grinding away, but all the key fighting currently is about bridges/river control.


7 posted on 08/12/2022 8:39:27 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: MinorityRepublican

Good point. The Ukrainians are targeting some ammo dumps with the HIMARS, it seems. That can help them a bit to even the scales. But I agree with you — Russia has the edge in artillery supplies and it isn’t going to be easy to make up the difference without a lot of West help.


8 posted on 08/12/2022 8:40:59 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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LOL. If you believe the local propagandists, then the offensive is in full-swing complete with combat footage, maps, thousands of “orcs” encircled here and where, hundreds of tanks destroyed, 58 towns “liberated”.....and now this?:)


9 posted on 08/12/2022 8:45:33 PM PDT by NorseViking
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Ha. If the Washington Post is putting out this story, then you know things are relatively grim for the Ukrainian side.

Propaganda only holds up for so long in war.


10 posted on 08/12/2022 8:50:56 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: AmericaFirst101

Ukraine needs Tomahawk missiles and airframes to defend their skies. Also Abrams tanks.


11 posted on 08/12/2022 8:55:39 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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The West may have to consider things like that


12 posted on 08/12/2022 8:57:30 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: AmericaFirst101
Russia has the edge in artillery supplies and it isn’t going to be easy to make up the difference without a lot of West help.

The stalemate favors Russia because if Ukraine takes enough damage that they have to settle for a cease fire, Russia will use it as an opportunity to replenish their reserves and prepare for another attack.

13 posted on 08/12/2022 8:59:30 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Thunder90

What is your evaluation of weapons of such sorts ending up in the hands of America’s enemies?
What if the folks in Latin America decide that the US was harsh to them?
There is the reason why the post-Cold War wars were relatively bloodless for the American military. It can change.


14 posted on 08/12/2022 8:59:45 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: MinorityRepublican

In fact not. Relatively slow gring is in Russia’s favor. Negotiations are perfectly useless because Ukraine never holds its part of the deal and proud of it.


15 posted on 08/12/2022 9:01:16 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: MinorityRepublican

Good point


16 posted on 08/12/2022 9:01:27 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: AmericaFirst101

“… If the Ukrainians are not able to accomplish #1, then the war is probably lost, I think. This is their best shot at preventing Russia from obtaining what her objectives seem to be (control of the east and south of Ukraine).…”
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If the Ukrainians don’t stop their INSANE artillery shelling of the largest nuclear power plant in Europe they are going to have to worry about a lot more than Russian control of the east and south of Ukraine.


17 posted on 08/12/2022 9:01:53 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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To: House Atreides

Yeah. I guess they are trying anything. But that is very dangerous. Not sure the strategy on that one.


18 posted on 08/12/2022 9:02:51 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: AmericaFirst101

We sell Abrams to Egypt and Saudi Arabia. If they can figure it out the Ukes should be able to.


19 posted on 08/12/2022 9:04:47 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90

oh yeah


20 posted on 08/12/2022 9:06:32 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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