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In my opinion, the best (and only) hopes that the Ukraine forces have at this time are these:

1. They absolutely MUST keep Russian forces on the east side of the Dnieper River (and potentially to the east of the Southern Bug River on the way to Odessa if the Russians make it to Mykolaiv). This is why there is so much focus currently by the Ukrainians on attacking the bridges spanning the Dnieper (including the bridge in Kherson). This also could include attacking the Kerch Strait bridge (Crimea bridge). Holding off Russian advances across the river, and cutting off Russian supply lines, is critical.

If the Ukrainians are not able to accomplish #1, then the war is probably lost, I think. This is their best shot at preventing Russia from obtaining what her objectives seem to be (control of the east and south of Ukraine).

If #1 is not accomplished, then my guess is that you're looking at more unrealistic scenarios to hold off the Russian advance, like:

2. Influx of (declared) foreign troops into Ukraine. Not mercenaries, but like the army of Poland. That kind of thing. Or NATO forces.

3. Some kind of truly game-altering weaponry or amount of weaponry that would radically alter the landscape. HIMARS and Harpoons are helping in this regard, but it remains to be seen if they will be enough.

The HIMARS have given Ukraine the ability to out-distance the Russian artillery and attack the Dnieper bridges. That gives Ukraine a chance.

We'll see if it is enough, in the end. From the sounds of this Washington Post article, not sure it will be enough for the Ukrainians.

1 posted on 08/12/2022 8:24:14 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101
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To: AmericaFirst101

If the ukronazis surrender now they might make it through the winter without starving and freezing...


2 posted on 08/12/2022 8:30:59 PM PDT by ganeemead (There is no definition of patriotism that includes stooging or siding with Nazis against Christians.)
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So much for the ‘Million Man March’ that Zelensky promised.

It seems that Ukraine was serious about it, though as they moved some of their best units down there, which is why they’re now getting demolished up in Donbass (where those units had been).

The problem was every time they tried to move east towards Kherson, they got pummeled as there is no natural cover there and without control of the airspace, not a chance.


4 posted on 08/12/2022 8:32:12 PM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: AmericaFirst101
This is the war of artillery. The Russians have more munitions, they can use up their Soviet stock. The Ukrainians have to depend on the West to rearm.

Seems like a stalemate. Neither side is strong enough to take the initative at this point.

5 posted on 08/12/2022 8:35:06 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: AmericaFirst101

LOL. If you believe the local propagandists, then the offensive is in full-swing complete with combat footage, maps, thousands of “orcs” encircled here and where, hundreds of tanks destroyed, 58 towns “liberated”.....and now this?:)


9 posted on 08/12/2022 8:45:33 PM PDT by NorseViking
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“… If the Ukrainians are not able to accomplish #1, then the war is probably lost, I think. This is their best shot at preventing Russia from obtaining what her objectives seem to be (control of the east and south of Ukraine).…”
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If the Ukrainians don’t stop their INSANE artillery shelling of the largest nuclear power plant in Europe they are going to have to worry about a lot more than Russian control of the east and south of Ukraine.


17 posted on 08/12/2022 9:01:53 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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With all the money and military aid sent by the West, Ukraine should have had by now a significant air arm and modern drone forces at relatively secure Western Ukraine bases. Apparently they don’t. Why? Modern drones would make Russian positions near Kherson very dangerous. Massed infantry/armor assaults in the modern technological era are suicidal. The lines now appear to be relatively static which suggests they may be close to a deal to end this war.


22 posted on 08/12/2022 9:08:17 PM PDT by allendale
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To: AmericaFirst101

In this particular case Russia is determined to recoup Ukraine and if I would make a bet I think they will pull it off. It’s not like losing out on Afghanistan what they just shrugged off as they didn’t feel it was worth it. Let’s hope they never feel they may be on the losing end having to put up with these war mongering bastards in DC, as this will be the day WHEN THIS CONFLICT WILL TURN HOT. In all reality Russia could have ended this conflict in about 72 hours as they have the ways and means to do it, but they been showing a lot of restrained to avoid unnecessary casualties.


23 posted on 08/12/2022 9:08:45 PM PDT by Saintgermain
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Ukrainian soldiers hunker down from an escalating onslaught of artillery, with little ability to advance.

Lots of luck hunkering down. The Russians have increased the use of the TOS=1A Hyperbaric missiles. These things tend to make your insides come out of your body orifices even if they're underground in their rats nests..

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Just outside of Peskiv.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vkpIJ7DyC3mQ/

28 posted on 08/12/2022 9:39:28 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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Ukrainian 93rd brigade hunting down a Russian tank with a javelin
31 posted on 08/12/2022 10:05:02 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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Good to see that the deep state and ComPost are still ready to fight right down to the last Ukrainian.


33 posted on 08/12/2022 10:23:36 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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Air superiority and a high sortie rate counters artillery. The Ukrainians don’t have it, never will. The Russians will just keep pounding Ukrainian forces because there is little to stop them.


39 posted on 08/12/2022 10:48:44 PM PDT by JustaTech (A mind is a terrible thing)
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Waiting for Godotsky.


42 posted on 08/12/2022 10:56:22 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Comitia asinorum et rhinocerum delenda sunt.)
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“The HIMARS have given Ukraine the ability to out-distance the Russian artillery and attack the Dnieper bridges. That gives Ukraine a chance.”

You let me know when those ‘god tier’ ‘game changers’ can drop 6500 artillery rounds in 24 hours and then do it for 7 solid days in a row....

Ukraine has no artillery to even remotely give adequate counter-battery fire.

Ukraine has no tanks left and very little left in way of mech infantry.

Ukraine has little to no air to provide suppression or any thing resembling air superiority.

And Ukraine’s ability to muster and then adequately train manpower has devolved to force recruiting 70+ year olds.

It’s a matter of when, not if for Ukraine.....as to when it implodes.


52 posted on 08/12/2022 11:32:54 PM PDT by cranked
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All they have to do - now that the UA has mostly, if not completely, divided the Kherson bridgehead in two parts - is to make all three bridges and the rail line completely unusable.

That will leave the Russian only pontoon bridges, trucks, and ferries to resupply - large amounts of artillery shells cannot be transported efficiently or in large quantities by those methods. This will deprive them of there preferred tactic of subduing the UA. Since they are regular troops, they are only trained to advance after the artillery has eliminated UA defenses and most of the troops a la Soviet style. Only the Wagner Group would be able to advance but they are too few and are needed elsewhere.

The Russians will eventually have to withdraw or be completely cut off from any supplies before they cannot escape.

The war is not lost until the Ukrainian people - not the government - says it is. The people, not the Army, are the ones supplying the troops with all of gear they need to fight, absent their uniforms and the Western weapons.There is a large and growing guerrilla movement killing collaborators and blowing things up.


71 posted on 08/13/2022 4:57:51 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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1. They absolutely MUST keep Russian forces on the east side of the Dnieper River (and potentially to the east of the Southern Bug River on the way to Odessa if the Russians make it to Mykolaiv). This is why there is so much focus currently by the Ukrainians on attacking the bridges spanning the Dnieper (including the bridge in Kherson). This also could include attacking the Kerch Strait bridge (Crimea bridge). Holding off Russian advances across the river, and cutting off Russian supply lines, is critical

Putin doesn't want Western Ukraine, which is the most nationalistic part of Ukraine. Putin considers most of Western Ukraine to be Polish, as it is more Catholic than Orthodox. His interest in Western Ukraine is limited to the coastal areas, Odesa and Mykolaiv, and denying Ukraine access to the Black Sea where it can threaten Russian hegemony, and linking up with Transnistria. I agree that ejecting Russian troops from the Kherson region is of great importance as it allows the Dnieper to act as natural defense.

2. Influx of (declared) foreign troops into Ukraine. Not mercenaries, but like the army of Poland. That kind of thing. Or NATO forces.

Poland, like other NATO countries, has an interest in weakening Russia. The Poles are happy to send Ukraine weapons, and probably have covert military operations assisting the Ukies and collecting their own military intelligence about how the Russians fight. However, Poland is not likely to send troops to Ukraine. Poland is more likely to be undermining Russian interests in Belarus, or even fomenting separatists in Kaliningrad, than actively engaging Russian troops in Ukraine.

Something is quietly developing between Moldova and Ukraine, which are cooperating to end the renegade state of Transnistria and eject the 1200-1500 Russian "peace keepers" there:
Signs Romania is readying to defend Moldova against Russia
Moldova may be moving to reunite with Romania as a way to get into the EU. Part of this deal could include Moldova ceding the East bank of the Dniester to Ukraine, which is just about all of Transnistria. Romania might support this action with its artillery, which will get interesting, but the idea is to eject Russian troops from the region.
79 posted on 08/13/2022 6:07:21 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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There is a solution:
  1. NATO declares the Russia’s operation to de-nazify Ukraine has been ineffective, covering only the far eastern side of the country
  2. Therefore, NATO will help. NATO will conduct a “Special Military Operation” to de-nazify western and central Ukraine
  3. NATO forces move into western Ukraine from Poland. They take positions from Odesa to the Belarusian border. An airborne assault captures Anatov airport and forces drive from there into Kiev
  4. NATO military police go house to house in televised raids looking for Nazis just to demonstrate the absurdity of it all
  5. Ukrainian military forces are driven out of those areas and flee to the East(!) where the Russian forces happen to be
  6. Naturally the NATO forces must defend themselves against Nazi saboteurs. They’ll need air support, AWACS and CAP. They’ll need counter battery capabilities. Any attacks on NATO forces must be from Nazis and will be met with swift retaliation
  7. Unbelievably, NATO equipment is stolen by and appears on the Eastern front. Damn Nazis everywhere.

84 posted on 08/13/2022 6:43:46 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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Russian occupation military and political leadership have completed their evacuation/retreat from Kherson city to Nova Kakhovka, south of the Dnieper. Russian troopsnorth of the river are effed.


93 posted on 08/13/2022 8:03:46 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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Globalist ukrop bots here make the incorrect assumption Russia is all in

When that is hardly factual

An attrition war favors Putin plus he knows he’s under a withering glare for atrocities and civilian casualties while Ukrop guilt is not covered or lied about

And most importantly the civilians in the way are 90% people who welcome him especially in Donbas where the real war has been

Since 2014 another point ignored by western media and their sycophants

The instant the USA and Britain say no mas

It’s over and Russia gets what they have always said they wanted

Russia has no reason to commit heavier

Ukraine can’t move what they have stationed fairly safely in civilian centers in Ukraine uncontested east over open ground only to see it destroyed in transit

This artillery duel is dicey cause you have to fire and haul ass immediately

And the Ukes have zero qualms killing Donbas people they see as rebels in the way


119 posted on 08/13/2022 9:49:27 AM PDT by wardaddy (Lawyers guns and money……I lived it…. Now I'm old…. I have wonderful children)
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