Posted on 07/26/2022 8:39:28 AM PDT by Kazan
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul and former Hawaii Representative Tulsi Gabbard have been listed by Ukraine among a number of American politicians, academics and activists Kyiv claims have promoted “Russian propaganda.”
The list was compiled by the Ukrainian Center for Countering Disinformation, founded in 2021 by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to study the impact of Russian disinformation. The center is part of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council.
The list—which also includes retired U.S. Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor, military strategist Edward Luttwak, political scientist John Mearsheimer and journalist Glenn Greenwald—does not explain what the consequences are for those who Ukraine clearly considers responsible for promoting the Kremlin’s line. But it offers explanations for inclusion on the list.
In April, Paul said President Joe Biden provoked Russia to invade its neighbor by advocating Ukraine’s entrance into NATO.
He also said: “You could also argue the countries they’ve attacked were part of Russia. Or part of the Soviet Union.”
Paul was immediately rebuked for this by Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who said Russia was not justified in invading Ukraine.
Former Rep. Gabbard said that the U.S. had provoked Putin for many years and that there are 25 dangerous biolabs in Ukraine that could release deadly pathogens.
The former representative has been accused of of lending credibility to Russian propaganda.
The biolab claims have also been supported by Greenwald, who Ukraine says didn’t want the U.S. to help Ukraine to avoid provoking Russia into a nuclear war.
Macgregor is listed as having said that the Russian army was highly skilled and “invincible,” while Mearsheimer is on Ukraine’s blacklist for having said NATO provoked Vladimir Putin into war.
Luttwak is listed as having given support to holding referendums in the breakaway Ukrainian regions of Luhansk and Donetsk.
Newsweek has contacted Paul, Gabbard, Macgregor, Mearsheimer, Greenwald and Luttwak for comment.
Greenwald told UnHerd that the list was “standard McCarthyite idiocy.” Mearsheimer told the news site he was disappointed with being listed as a Russian propagandist, while he defended his claim that the war was provoked by the U.S. wanting to accept Ukraine into NATO.
Luttwak also objected to the label of Russian propagandist. Talking to UnHerd, he said he was not “exactly Putin’s most faithful agent,” saying he has argued for Western powers to send weapons to Ukraine since “day one of the war.”
As well as U.S. citizens, the list of “Russian propagandists” includes political figures, experts and public figures from Germany, Switzerland, Brazil, Poland and France.
Other Americans on the list are: political and business advisor Harlan Ullman, author Paul Pillar, economists Jeffrey Sachs and Steve Hanke, political analyst Brian Berletic, academics Patrick Basham and Clifford Kiracofe, former army officer David Payne, ex-diplomat Michael Springmann, retired intelligence officer Scott Ritter, finance specialist Jason Ross, businessman Mike Callicrate, politicians Geoff Young and Diane Sare, journalists Caleb Maupin and Tony Magliano, retired business consultant George Koo, Republican former Senate staffer Jim Jatras, former CIA officer Ray McGovern, former Virginia State Senator Richard Black and political analyst Graham Fuller.
It has no such right. Corrupt states forfeit that right.
I speak the truth, you flip out. Rinse and repeat. You’re the one defending Soros’s puppet state.
If nations lost the right to exist because of crooked leaders
the US would not exist. Russia wouldn’t exist. China
wouldn’t exist. On and on it goes.
You just get none of this on any level.
Red China is a serious state, too. But it is also profoundly evil and actually Communist and anti-Christian. If Putin were deposed and replaced by a Zelensky or another corrupt globalist eunuch, it would invite the Red Chinese to march across Russia and into Europe. Yet another reason to strongly support Putin and Russia as a bulwark to guard against that from happening.
It has not been my intent to argue that Russia should not
exist. It has been your point that the Ukraine should not
exist.
Lets put this another way. Perhaps the clarity of this
will open your eyes.
Soros is very likely to have paid to have Biden certified as
our president. That makes Biden is illegitimate as you
claim Zelensky is.
So is it your argument that the United States has no right
to exist?
Be honest with yourself. I state that it does.
By your reckoning, the Soviet Union deserves to exist. Face it: nations come and nations go. That’s the way of the world. No nation is “guaranteed existence.” When it becomes weak, lawless and corrupted, it can and will often fall.
Red China will fall because it is evil and doesn’t value human life. If Russia embraces and sells out to decadent globalist “values” like Western Europe or Ukraine, it will fall like its predecessor. The U.S. has embraced decadence, corruption and anti-Christian/anti-White and sexual depravity and the clock is running out on it, too. Sometimes what replaces the old and corrupt/decadent is better than before, sometimes not.
I suspected as much.
So in your eyes, the United States should be gone.
If Trump is in, why yes the U. S. should remain.
Gosh, you flip the switch and the nation should cease to
exist.
Your thoughts reveal the true you. Rather sad.
I answered your post in #166. The lack of legitimacy and constitutionality of the ruling regime in D.C. opens us up to overthrow either from within (by the people) or from without (Red China). If the people of Ukraine violently overthrew and hanged (or any other method of execution) the treasonous Zelensky and cut off any and all Soros/Schwab and globalist influence (a la Hungary) and proved it was a serious state, it would be in a stronger position to assert legitimacy.
No, I favor overthrow of the illegitimate regime in Washington by the people and reinstallation of the rightful 2020 election winner. But at the rate we’re going, it’ll be Red China that marches in and picks over the ruins of our formerly great country. They’re already rapidly fostering the collapse, along with the same cretin that fostered Ukraine’s, Soros.
Honestly, you should just leave well enough alone.
You really do not grasp anything you address.
Trump is president, the nation deserves to exist.
Biden is president, why we should just pack it all in.
That’s reasoned to you.
Never mind that Trump could be president again in three
years, you’d want the nation gone by then.
I’ve never seen a person destroy themselves literally
within just an hour or so.
Your belief system is mush.
Again, it’s not my problem you can’t understand what I’ve explained to you. But you cannot complain that I haven’t clearly stated my position. You have yet to explain or establish why any nation “deserves” to exist once it falls into lawlessness, evil, decadence and corruption. You could’ve made that same argument for the Soviet Union “deserving” to exist. Even Nazi Germany, the Ottoman Empire and countless other nation-states.
Yeah, you’ve got the high road all sewed up there fella.
Every government is to a certain degree corrupt. It’s a
given. Man is fallible. Who knew?
The point is that no nation deserves to be torn down because
it has corruption. Russia had no mandate to take the
Ukraine’s assets. It could as easily have torn itself
down for it’s own corruption.
Nothing that the Ukraine had done, justified anything that
Russia did.
Tell me what wonderful outcome improves the Ukraine?
They swap the evil government in KIEV for the evil one in
Moscow?
Your logic is so screwed up, you don’t know which way is
up and which way is down.
I have asked this of others, but I don’t have to ask it of
you.
If China and Russia attack the US, you couldn’t care less
who wins.
Why we’re evil.
If you think we are, and that’s okay if you do, wait until
you see the evil those two nations will open up to you.
So, again, you neither read or comprehended what I wrote.
You poor thing.
You are suffering from a delusion that things you wright are
intellectually sound and make any sense at all.
I do appreciate you trying as hard as you can though.
Look bud, you mentioned some of the worst nations of all time
and then tried to make a direct connection to a nation that
wasn’t doing the things they were.
This made sense to you. Sadly it didn’t make any sense.
I explained to you my argument and the realities of the world. That, again, you can’t comprehend what I “wright” (sic) is on you. It’s intellectually weak and disingenuous on your part, however. But, you’re the one defending the Soros regime, so...
Since your comprehension skills are sorely lacking, I tried to make it as simple as possible for you to grok. That’s why your argument that “countries have a right to exist” is a very specious and ridiculous and easily debunked one.
You use examples that are extremely flawed and then get
upset when I call you on it. You tell me that you made
sense and it’s just me.
Of the two nations the Ukraine and Russia, which one acted
the most like NAZI German during World War II?
Despite the answer to that, you tried to compare the Ukraine
to NAZI Germany.
Then you tell me, you have presented pristine logic and
it’s my fault if I can’t grasp it.
Oh I grasped it alright. I saw it for exactly what it was.
Trash!
In that regard it was like most of the other responses
you’ve made here.
Your logic is approaching the fourth grade level, so I do
appreciate all the hard work that has made that possible.
Comparing some of the worst nations in history to the
Ukraine, reveals flaws in your logic that can’t be
remedied by merely casting flawed insults at the person
you are talking to.
Your initial posts are flawed. You’re defensive posts are
flawed. You insults are flawed. You’ve achieved the
trifecta of the town troll.
I gave you examples that invalidated your flawed arguments. Don’t blame me because you lost the argument. Look to your own flawed stances and unjustifiable defense of a corrupt Ukraine. Grow up and take responsibility for your comments. Admit you erred.
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