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Ukraine’s Zelensky Says a Cease-Fire With Russia, Without Reclaiming Lost Lands, Will Only Prolong War
WSJ ^ | 22-JUL-2022 | Yaroslav Trofimov

Posted on 07/22/2022 10:52:15 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas

Recent shipments of U.S. and allied weapons, particularly the Himars multiple-launch rocket systems and 155mm howitzers, have helped to blunt Russia’s offensive in the Donbas and stabilize the situation there, Mr. Zelensky said. The Russians used to fire 12,000 artillery shells daily against 1,000 to 2,000 by Ukraine, he said. Now, he added, Ukraine can fire some 6,000 shells a day while Russia is beginning to feel a shortage of ammunition and troops.

This change in the balance of firepower has stemmed Ukrainian casualties, Mr. Zelensky said. At the peak of fighting in May and June, he said, Ukraine was losing between 100 and 200 troops a day; now, it is down to some 30 fatalities a day and around 250 wounded.

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To: Jan_Sobieski

“Why leave out the 50% of Ukrainians who were disenfranchised by the Revolution and the 3 Oblasts that seceded?”

Your history & statistics are flawed.
1. Independent Ukraine
The population of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly for independence in the referendum of December 1, 1991.
(About 84 percent of eligible voters turned out for the referendum, and about 90 percent of them endorsed independence.)

When Ukrainians voted for independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, all of its 24 “oblasts,” or regions – including Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea – supported Ukraine independence.

The minority of ethnic Russians were included as Ukrainian citizens in an independent state voted for independence. The ethnic Russians and Russian speakers in Ukraine’s east did NOT automatically support the separatists or want to be part of Russia.

Since 2014, some 1.5 million people have left the Donbass to live in other parts of Ukraine.

The EXACT POINT is the MINORITY ethically Russian, Russian speakers and other ethnic minorities in Crimea & Donbass region were living PEACEFULLY for most of the first two decades after Ukraine independence.

In other words, being an ethnic Russian or a Russian speaker DOES NOT INDICATE that one sees its self as part of the Russian World.

There has been an increase in sentiment of a strong, unified Ukrainian identity since 1991. Most Ukrainians see their future as a sovereign country that is part of Europe.

Of course, this directly contradicts Putin’s goals. Putin attempts to invoke the concept of the “Russian World” or “Russkiy Mir” – that Russian civilization extends to everywhere that ethnic Russians live no matter where Russians are in the world.

2. Transfer of Crimea Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet transferring Crimea Province from the Russian Republic to the Ukraine Republic. February 27, 1954 Original Source: Pravda, 27 February 1954, p. 1. Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet transferring Crimea Province from the Russian Republic to the Ukraine Republic, taking into account the integral character of the economy, the territorial proximity and the close economic ties between Crimea Province and the Ukraine Republic, and approving the joint presentation of the Presidium of the Russian Republic Supreme Soviet and the Presidium of the Ukraine Republic Supreme Soviet on the transfer of Crimea Province from the Russian Republic to the Ukraine Republic.
Source: Current Digest of the Soviet Press (Columbus, Ohio: AAASS, 1954), Vol. 6, p. 23. https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1954-2/the-gift-of-crimea/the-gift-of-crimea-texts/transfer-of-crimea/ Both Ukraine & **Russia shared naval bases in CRIMEA, Ukraine until Putin invasion of 2014.

Crimea had originally been an “AUTONOMOUS REPUBLIC” (avtonomnaya respublika) in the RSFSR, but its status was changed to that of an “oblast’” (province) in the RSFSR in 1945, BASICALLY because the FORCED REMOVAL of the Crimean Tatars had eliminated the need for autonomy.

After the Crimean oblast was transferred to the UkSSR in 1954, it retained the status of an oblast’ within Soviet Ukraine for 37 years.


101 posted on 07/22/2022 2:37:35 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: Gen.Blather

I appreciate your well sourced commentary, Thanks


102 posted on 07/22/2022 2:40:17 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
You are factually and historically wrong. Yanukovich was a popular President who was deposed in a violent Obama/Biden coup. Why a coup? Why not vote him out of office or impeach him? They knew he had too strong of support in Eastern and Southern Ukraine and the couldn’t impeach him.

50% of Ukrainians were disenfranchised during the Euromaiden Revolution. 3 States seceded and have been fighting to gain independence from Kiev since 2014.
103 posted on 07/22/2022 2:50:02 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Kazan

“That is an easily refuted lie.”

No. Undeniable truth inRussian Federation.

Again, why is there no voiced opposition in Russia?

Why are Kremlin critics silenced?

What nerve gas was used to end the Breslan school hostage?

Why are you not allowed to criticize Putin and the government in Russia?

Why did Putin pass a law last making it illegal to compare Stalin with Hitler?

1- https://news.yahoo.com/body-russian-model-branded-putin-150247223.html
Mikhail Khodorkovsky was once the richest man in Russia until he challenged Vladimir Putin and was sent to jail for 10 years. Now, he has advice for Western leaders trying to deal with his former adversary, telling CBC’s Terence McKenna that a show of strength is key.

2- VIDEO Body of Russian model who branded Putin ‘a psychopath’ found in suitcase year after going missing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5IXIYuHobk

3- Putin’s kissed tummy of unknown 5 year old boy.
“Nobody can understand why the Russian president did such a strange thing as kissing the stomach of an unfamiliar small boy???”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uWEaKLzwUg


104 posted on 07/22/2022 2:57:11 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: Jan_Sobieski

“You are factually and historically wrong. Yanukovich was a popular President”

FACTS:
In 2014, the Presidents of Ukraine, Yanukovych, went back on his election pledge to seek cooperation with the EU. He did this because the anti corruption reforms is not what he wanted.

He moved secretly to sign a deal with Putin.

The public didn’t like his dealings with Putin and held peaceful demonstrations in Majdan. In late, 2013 a group of students protested against the fact that Yanukovich would not sign the Eastern Partnership agreement with the EU (Moldova and Georgia already had).

Yanukanuovich had used this agreement to go to Moscow and get more money from Russia in exchange for not signing. These students disagreed so they set up a protest on Kreschatyk the main street of Kyiv.
This was for months, extending to 2014.

Yanukovych government response was to send in law enforcement who beat up the protesters and sent several into the clinic. This brutality angered off more people who then started their own protest which merged with the student protest. And soon people from all ages joined for different reasons: anti-corruption, against high unemployment, the low pensions, poor life for war veterans etc. The original protest served as a catalyst that suddenly burst open the dissatisfaction for many.

He placed Russia-style limits on assembly and free speech that people yearning for freedom were NEVER going to accept peacefully. Only after the subsequent crackdowns on peaceful protestors did the protests turn violent. Things were at a standstill then Yanukovich gave orders to the Berkut, Ukrainian special police force (bit like SWAT in the US) to organize a wide spread attack to break up the protests and restore order. For this they gathered troops from outside of Kyiv too and put snipers on the rooftops. The rest is history.

A real battle followed and people died. Yanukovych sent in the militias to beat the demonstrators. That caused a larger demonstration of people asking for a change from corruption.
Yanukovych was in process of being impeached for gross corruption and was going to be removed one way or another. He said he would not step down even if impeached. The day parliament voted 73% for his impeachment, he willingly tucked tail to Russia when he knew it was inevitable.

So, Yanukovich got scared. He grabbed all the cash and jewelry he could and fled East to Donetsk where he had came from. Unfortunately for him, he had burned his bridges there as well by scamming the Donbas maffia while in office.

When he was then refused passage by the Ukrainian border guards at the Russian border Putin sent in special forces to extradite Yanukovich, his family and some of his most loyal supporters to Russia where he now lives in wealth and at the mercy of Putin should he come in useful ever again.

All Yanukovich had had to do was like those before him make some promises to the protesters, sign some symbolic legislation and then continue business as usual. Instead he chose the confrontation and lost. Note that the successor to Yanukovych was Poroshenko, a Russian speaker. Poroshenko was voted out by the people and the new president was Zelensky, another Russian speaker.


105 posted on 07/22/2022 3:25:46 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: Jan_Sobieski

MORE EVIL RUSSIA UNDER PUTIN:

“Russia-led forces in the Donbas region engaged in: enforced disappearances, torture, and unlawful detention; committed gender-based violence; interfered with freedom of expression, including of the press, peaceful assembly, and association; restricted movement across the line of contact in eastern Ukraine; and unduly restricted humanitarian aid.

Human rights issues in Russian-occupied Crimea included: politically motivated disappearances; torture and abuse of detainees to extract confessions and punish persons resisting the occupation; politically motivated imprisonment; and interference with the freedoms of expression, including of the press, and assembly and association.

Crimea occupation authorities intensified violence and harassment of Crimean Tatars and pro-Ukrainian activists in response to peaceful opposition to Russian occupation (see Crimea sub-report). Investigations into alleged human rights abuses related to Russia’s occupation of Crimea and the continuing aggression in the Donbas region remained incomplete due to lack of government control in those territories and the refusal of Russia and Russia-led forces to investigate abuse allegations.”

https://www.state.gov/reports/2018-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/ukraine/


106 posted on 07/22/2022 3:30:51 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Oh…that’s why 3 states seceded and they’ve been fighting an 8 year civil war…because they all hate Yanukovich! Silly me. You’re so smart!


107 posted on 07/22/2022 3:32:09 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Fido969

Zelensky doesn’t want the revenue flow to stop - he’ll keep the conflict going indefinately.


108 posted on 07/22/2022 3:43:06 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: jimwatx

Zelensky won’t stop until his goal of full Nato military involvement happens....


109 posted on 07/22/2022 3:46:01 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: JonPreston
(JonPreston) Putin is great, Ukrainians are terrible.

(Everyone Else) Why is Putin great, he is attacking a peaceful neighboring country and killing civilians?

(JonPreston) Putin is great, Ukrainians are terrible.

(Everyone Else) Thousands of people have died, including nearly 40,000 young Russian men. What is the point of all of this violence.

(JonPreston) Putin is great, Ukrainians are terrible.

(Everyone Else) Why do you always post pro-Russian propaganda?

(JonPreston) Putin is great, Ukrainians are terrible.

110 posted on 07/22/2022 4:07:10 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Navy Patriot
Then the Russians can move on to killing GloboHomoNazis in the rest of Europe, and really improve the place!

I presume you support the ISIS terrorists who have been doing what you propose for years.

It isn't often on Free Republic that we get to meet somebody who supports terror attacks against civilians.

It seems like you probably also supported the attacks against the liberal New Yorkers sitting in the World Trade Center.

111 posted on 07/22/2022 4:09:27 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

The very least you Biden Kneepad’ers can do is post original material, but I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Now scat you Neocon freak.


112 posted on 07/22/2022 4:16:38 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: Fido969
There is a strange correlation between pro Russian posters and a lot of thinking about homosexuality. Perhaps that is because in Russia gay men are persecuted, and therefore our pro Putin propaganda posting club members are stuck in the closet.

If you are like Fido969, and keep having thought about homosexuality you might want to think about your own orientation and fantasies. But let's not think about what your user name suggests, that's just gross.

113 posted on 07/22/2022 4:30:10 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

Pick her poison


114 posted on 07/22/2022 4:36:06 PM PDT by mylife (And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
They’ve forced a system that pushes Russia, China, Iran, North Korea together

The level of intelligence of the Russian propaganda posters is very low, but the rest of us are not that uninformed. Although it may be news to you, Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea have been allies for a long time.

115 posted on 07/22/2022 4:42:04 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Bulwyf
Pure evil.

You are confused. You meant Putin, not Zelensky. Putin is doing a great job of thinning out the rural young men of Russia. Their families are very sad.


116 posted on 07/22/2022 4:47:47 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: cranked
Ukrainian losses since the beginning of the special military operation...

As dreamed up by a Russian propagandist. Somehow Ukraine has lost more aircraft and helicopters than they had to start with but they still have plenty of aircraft flying.

Repeating already debunked fake claims doesn't make them true, it just shows how desperate Russia is. A few short months ago Russia was thought to have one of the top military forces in the world. Today we know their equipment is outdated and barely able to be used against a weak adversary.

We know now that modern Russian weapons depend on foreign technology, and that without parts from western suppliers they can't even build replacements for the missiles they are launching.

At this point Russia has failed, they just haven't realized it yet.

117 posted on 07/22/2022 4:52:38 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: unclebankster
In other words, the Russians have time, geography, and the power to maintain their position, while the Western Powers do not.

You do know that Russia buys their tank thermal sights from France, and their drone technology from Israel, and the GPS modules and electronics for their drones and fighter jets from western suppliers, right?

And you do know that Russia's economy is nowhere near the size of the economy of the western nations.

But you still post Russian propaganda talking points.

118 posted on 07/22/2022 4:55:29 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

You seem to be fixated on that.


119 posted on 07/22/2022 5:11:10 PM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Kazan

“Protests occur and are allowed in Russia. “

People have gotten arrested for holding up a piece of blank paper.

Lies, lies, lies you tell Dirty RuZZian.


120 posted on 07/22/2022 5:17:24 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (The Only Good RuZZian is a Dead RuZZian)
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