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Biden Backs Canada Helping Restart Russian Pipeline After Killing US Pipeline Projects
The Daily Caller ^ | 07.12.2022 | Dylan Housman

Posted on 07/14/2022 3:51:55 AM PDT by Macky Cracklins

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To: Jonty30; All

In other words, even if the KXL pipeline were approved it would be a number of years before it would be carrying sludge oil to Houston for refining for export ot China and elsewhere. Therefore absolutely no help to this year’s gasoline prices, or to US oil supply for our own use later.


41 posted on 07/16/2022 11:14:05 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority)
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To: gleeaikin

At the time Keystone was stopped, it was about 8 months from operation. That means, approximently, it would have been operational by September 2021.

You would have been receiving an additional 900,000 barrels/day for about 10 months so far.


42 posted on 07/16/2022 11:17:29 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Are vegetarian real vegetarian burgers or just fake meat?)
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To: gleeaikin

At the time Keystone was stopped, it was about 8 months from operation. That means, approximently, it would have been operational by September 2021.

You would have been receiving an additional 900,000 barrels/day for about 10 months so far.

Since it would the US first, the US would have had first dibs on it before it went on the world market.

Figure this out, if green energy works, why is Germany panicking about being cut off by Russia? They went whole hog into green energy. They should be laughing about $140/barrel oil.


43 posted on 07/16/2022 11:19:32 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Are vegetarian real vegetarian burgers or just fake meat?)
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To: Candor7; All

Reference please about Libya’s Great Man Made River which you say was to produce the “greening” of the Southern Desert. Where was this fresh water supposed to come from? The Mediterranian and Atlantic Ocean are salty.


44 posted on 07/16/2022 11:23:30 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority)
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To: gleeaikin

The costs of desalination have fallen to fifty cents for every 1,000 litres of water.


45 posted on 07/16/2022 11:28:48 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Are vegetarian real vegetarian burgers or just fake meat?)
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To: Jonty30; All

I am not sure which of your statements is WRONG. In Comment #32 you state “three years to get the materials and equipment and at least as long to get thanpower (correction please) together. Had any of this pipeline even been build at the time Keystone was stopped? In this comment you say at the time Keystone was stopped (Feb. 2021) it would have been operational in 8 months. Yet in #32 you say to get the materials and equipment (which the company says it is now removing) would take 3 years, and then you say at least as long (another 3 year?) to get “thanpower” together. So maybe, depending on the meaning of thanpower, by Sept. 2024? In all liklihood Ukraine will be resolved by that time or the situation will have become so bad that gasoline prices will be the least of our worries.

If Canadian tar sands oil was (and for the parts already operational) for special refining in Houston and then for shipment to China and elsewhere, then there are no doubt contracts that would have to be met and agreements needing renegotiating. How long does that kind of thing take?

Germany has done a lot to develop green energy, but it still has more work in the pipeline, which was not planned for completion by winter 22-23. Delivery of LNG (gas) has been hampered by insufficient number of LNG pipelines. The link below discusses various German fuel plans, including new gas pipelines which, unfortunately, will not be ready before 2025. A week ago I heard Brent Crude was $104, not $140

https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2022/03/18/russian-war-pushes-germany-to-broaden-its-energy-security-definition/?sh=4bfa0ea87067

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germans-urged-cut-energy-use-lessen-dependence-russia [Government policies like lowering the speed limit on German highways may be necessary, not just expecting private measures alone can do the job.]


46 posted on 07/17/2022 12:13:28 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority)
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To: Jonty30; All

Since 1000 liters of water equals 6.29 barrels of water, unless they plan to use a pipeline for their “river”, even at 50 cents, it could still get very expensive. I must check tomorrow and see what my utility is charging for water, which I believe is measured in cubic feet. If it is cubic feet per fluid barrel, that appears to be 4.21 cf/barrel.


47 posted on 07/17/2022 12:29:36 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority)
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To: gleeaikin

I said that, when they were building it, it was only 8 months from completion. If Joe Biden had left it alone, it would have been built by September 2021, because they had the materials, they had the equipment, and they had the personnel. All that is now gone.

If Joe Biden allowed to be built, from where they left off, it would take the approximate times I listed to get the materials, equipment and personnel. You can’t just start these in a couple of weeks, because it is continent wide strategizing session that get put together by many industries, because they are that huge of projects. The fact that you don’t realize that means you have no understandings of the issues at why, even if Joe Biden wrote a black cheque to get’er done, why the industry would not jump at the opportunity.

THe Ukraine had little discernible effect. The price was rising from the time that Joe Biden got elected, because the industry had anticipated his hostility to the oil industry and Biden’s actios proved them right when he killed ANWAR, and the Gulf leases retroactively.

It takes the same time to set up a refinery in Alberta as it would a pipeline, but it will not be done because we have an a-hole Prime Minister that wants to see Albertans starve to death because it puts a smil on his face. Without no ability to approve a pipeline, there can be ability to build a refinery. Sending the oil onto the world make the refinery feasible. Building the refinery just for Alberta keeps in unfeasible.

Again, if green energy worked, it should have been a slight inconvenience for Germany to be cut off of Russian oil. The proof is the pudding. Renewables don’t work.

Gasoline and Diesel are the two most dense unit/work energy souce in the world. Everything else pales in comparison.

Gasoline is about a trillion times more energy dense than sunlight and it always works.

Source Joules per cubic meter
Solar 0.0000015
Geothermal 0.05
Wind at 10 mph (5m/s) 7
Tidal water 0.5–50
Human 1,000
Oil 45,000,000,000
Gasoline 10,000,000,000
Automobile occupied (5800 lbs) 40,000,000
Automobile unoccupied (5000 lbs) 40,000,000
Natural gas 40,000,000
Fat (food) 30,000,000

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https://drexel.edu/~/media/Files/greatworks/pdf_sum10/WK8_Layton_EnergyDensities.ash

Probably the best combination, if you were choosing effectiveness and efficiency is nuclear power for homes and buildings but a liquid source that has carbon for vehicles.

Renewables sound great, in theory, but we still have to live in a world that is governed by physics.


48 posted on 07/17/2022 12:44:28 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Are vegetarian real vegetarian burgers or just fake meat?)
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To: gleeaikin

Countries like Libya didn’t care about costs. It wouldn’t be the first time they spent billions on vanity projects.

The working theory also is that the upfront costs is huge, but it becomes self-sustaining over time by creating a hydrological cycle.


49 posted on 07/17/2022 12:46:24 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Are vegetarian real vegetarian burgers or just fake meat?)
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To: Candor7

It will after Trudeau supports turbine maintenance in Montreal.

N1 working is not enough to make any significant statistical difference. Russian economic troubles have many causes, not just one.


50 posted on 07/17/2022 2:52:56 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Jonty30; PIF; familyop; MalPearce; Kevmo; All

Keystone was a multi segment pipeline project much of which had already been built. When Biden shut down the XL portion, only about 8% had been built. See link below for more details.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-keystonepipelinexl-builtandpai/fact-check-though-keystone-xl-pipeline-had-secured-most-of-its-funding-it-was-only-8-constructed-idUSL1N2LA2SQ


51 posted on 07/17/2022 3:23:34 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority)
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To: gleeaikin

Jason Kenny said it could have been built in about 8 months to a year, if Biden had just let the company work.


52 posted on 07/17/2022 3:31:56 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Are vegetarian real vegetarian burgers or just fake meat?)
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To: gleeaikin; Fred Nerks

Obama destroyed it. NATO did the dirty work. NATO is not a defensive organization. It is a soocialist/globalist military tool beloved by the American Left.

Trump new how to handle NATO. He made them pay their share, and engage only oin defensive strtaegy. The present Biden strategy was meant to create war.

As to the Great Man MAde River and the Greening of the Southern Desert? It was needlessly and cruelly destroyed by NATO. starving thousands , undoing a huge advance for a third world country under Obama and Hitlery Clinton’s urging. How white of them, eh? Truly leftist neo colonial bastards.Obama, a White Supremacist in brownish skin.Destroyed a whole nation of brown people. Klaus Schwab, Joe Biden and Justin Trudeau approve.

Swerve your self:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River


53 posted on 07/17/2022 5:59:33 AM PDT by Candor7 (ObamaFascism:https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

Interesting link. I wonder what happened with the plastic tree project? Since I know Spanish, I look forward to reading the Spanish language articles. Thanks.


54 posted on 07/17/2022 12:16:33 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority)
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