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I am not sure which of your statements is WRONG. In Comment #32 you state “three years to get the materials and equipment and at least as long to get thanpower (correction please) together. Had any of this pipeline even been build at the time Keystone was stopped? In this comment you say at the time Keystone was stopped (Feb. 2021) it would have been operational in 8 months. Yet in #32 you say to get the materials and equipment (which the company says it is now removing) would take 3 years, and then you say at least as long (another 3 year?) to get “thanpower” together. So maybe, depending on the meaning of thanpower, by Sept. 2024? In all liklihood Ukraine will be resolved by that time or the situation will have become so bad that gasoline prices will be the least of our worries.

If Canadian tar sands oil was (and for the parts already operational) for special refining in Houston and then for shipment to China and elsewhere, then there are no doubt contracts that would have to be met and agreements needing renegotiating. How long does that kind of thing take?

Germany has done a lot to develop green energy, but it still has more work in the pipeline, which was not planned for completion by winter 22-23. Delivery of LNG (gas) has been hampered by insufficient number of LNG pipelines. The link below discusses various German fuel plans, including new gas pipelines which, unfortunately, will not be ready before 2025. A week ago I heard Brent Crude was $104, not $140

https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2022/03/18/russian-war-pushes-germany-to-broaden-its-energy-security-definition/?sh=4bfa0ea87067

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germans-urged-cut-energy-use-lessen-dependence-russia [Government policies like lowering the speed limit on German highways may be necessary, not just expecting private measures alone can do the job.]


46 posted on 07/17/2022 12:13:28 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority)
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To: gleeaikin

I said that, when they were building it, it was only 8 months from completion. If Joe Biden had left it alone, it would have been built by September 2021, because they had the materials, they had the equipment, and they had the personnel. All that is now gone.

If Joe Biden allowed to be built, from where they left off, it would take the approximate times I listed to get the materials, equipment and personnel. You can’t just start these in a couple of weeks, because it is continent wide strategizing session that get put together by many industries, because they are that huge of projects. The fact that you don’t realize that means you have no understandings of the issues at why, even if Joe Biden wrote a black cheque to get’er done, why the industry would not jump at the opportunity.

THe Ukraine had little discernible effect. The price was rising from the time that Joe Biden got elected, because the industry had anticipated his hostility to the oil industry and Biden’s actios proved them right when he killed ANWAR, and the Gulf leases retroactively.

It takes the same time to set up a refinery in Alberta as it would a pipeline, but it will not be done because we have an a-hole Prime Minister that wants to see Albertans starve to death because it puts a smil on his face. Without no ability to approve a pipeline, there can be ability to build a refinery. Sending the oil onto the world make the refinery feasible. Building the refinery just for Alberta keeps in unfeasible.

Again, if green energy worked, it should have been a slight inconvenience for Germany to be cut off of Russian oil. The proof is the pudding. Renewables don’t work.

Gasoline and Diesel are the two most dense unit/work energy souce in the world. Everything else pales in comparison.

Gasoline is about a trillion times more energy dense than sunlight and it always works.

Source Joules per cubic meter
Solar 0.0000015
Geothermal 0.05
Wind at 10 mph (5m/s) 7
Tidal water 0.5–50
Human 1,000
Oil 45,000,000,000
Gasoline 10,000,000,000
Automobile occupied (5800 lbs) 40,000,000
Automobile unoccupied (5000 lbs) 40,000,000
Natural gas 40,000,000
Fat (food) 30,000,000

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https://drexel.edu/~/media/Files/greatworks/pdf_sum10/WK8_Layton_EnergyDensities.ash

Probably the best combination, if you were choosing effectiveness and efficiency is nuclear power for homes and buildings but a liquid source that has carbon for vehicles.

Renewables sound great, in theory, but we still have to live in a world that is governed by physics.


48 posted on 07/17/2022 12:44:28 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Are vegetarian real vegetarian burgers or just fake meat?)
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