Posted on 06/30/2022 9:48:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I had a tough dialogue with a former friend concerning the Supreme Court’s Dodd decision. We disagree on the fundamental aspects of the issue and the discussion has been eye-opening. As teenagers we were both raised in very conservative milieus. I had a loving home with loving parents. When my mother passed away, my father found a wonderful woman who has been a great stepmother.
Unfortunately, I have no idea of my friend’s home life. Having a good home to grow up in, with a dedicated mother who chose to stay at home, resulted in my friend spending time at my house. They didn’t always invite us over to their house. As we became adults, I strove to live up to the ideals our shared religion taught us. I waited till marriage for physical intimacy. I did struggle with pornography for a while, but sought counseling, repented, and while the temptation is still there, I have been sober for years. I know it is possible to live a life following traditional Christian morality because I live it.
About five years ago, my wife had an ectopic pregnancy. It was the first pregnancy she had not miscarried in eight years. We didn’t know it was ectopic until she woke up in the middle of the night experiencing the worst pain she had ever felt. I talked her into going to the ER. The doctor did ultrasounds and tests. She was two months pregnant. (She hadn’t told me because I always got so excited about it) The baby was healthy. We got to hear the healthy hoof-beats of our child’s heartbeat. Then the doctor told us, “It’s implanted in the wrong place. As this baby continues to grow, it will rupture your ovary and you will bleed to death.
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Yeah...this is NOT the kind of ‘abortion’ the rabid pro-death crowd is talking about.
An ectopic pregnancy is extremely rare and since the fertilized egg cannot get to the womb it is destined to die unless there is some way it can be implanted in the womb? Saving the mother is the only choice for the doctor in this instance. It is a strawman argument to suggest otherwise.
This is not an abortion, this is a non-elective surgery to save the mother’s life.
Abortion is elective, an ectopic pregnancy is not. Do not try to conflate the two because you will be giving the abortionists moral cover.
It is now out in the open for all to see. Roe was the left’s escape from responsibility for their actions and the shame it may bring. Much easier to pay a fee and get rid of the evidence that they could not control themselves - Women AND Men.
The Left has set up a straw man with a Hollywood caricature of the rabid pro-lifer who would force a mother to die rather than receive life-saving medical care.
Even the stringently prolife teaching of the Catholic Church permits life-saving medical procedures whose secondary effects are the termination of the pregnancy.
There are almost zero cases where its a clear, binary choice - the baby dies OR the mother dies.
In the case of ectopic pregnancy, the child is, sadly, certain to die, as it can not grow to full term in a fallopian tube. If continued, BOTH mother and baby will die
The problem with abortion to save the life of the mother is that the medical field no longer has ethics. It would not be far fetched to have doctors, who believe in abortion, falsfy the need to have an abortion to save the mother’s life. The medical fields lies during the pandemic is all you need to know that the field no longer has ethics.
Can I answer the author?
Ok. Ahem.
NO IT IS NOT.
How about fixing the life saving medicine that this hypothetical mother needed in the first place?
Just sacrificing a baby because “oh, I dunno. This is at least easier than solving the actual problem” is just as evil.
Besides, where are these cases? What are we talking about? When did this street car ever lose its brakes leaving someone to decide who lives or dies?
This isn’t a real question.
I have a female friend with biological abnormality in that she has two sets of ovaries and tubes.
She can actually get pregnant while pregnant, which would kill her.
Thus I can see that an abortion could be necessary.
The same would be true of an ectopic pregnancy like a tubal.
To dangerous to carry to term.
Your response makes no sense, if you are responding to the author in the OP. I’m not aware of a ‘medicine’ that can be relied upon to fix ectopic pregnancy.
Some lady made a presentation about the breakdown of what abortions were for. One of the reasons was “the life of the mother.”
I believe the percentage turned out to be a fraction of one percent.
One thing in this story seems strange. At two months, I have no idea
how she carried the child that long.
Reagan signed legislation in California to allow abortions to save the life
of the mother. Subsequently all abortions were claimed to save the life of the mother.
He later said that was his largest regret.
In a case like this, I do think the mother should be the top priority.
I agree with the article
Of course. Not an issue. Nobody, and certainly not the court, had said otherwise.
(And this is what the (Catholic) church and Judaism and so far as I know most Protestant denominations teach, too)
No, because its never been the true objective.
My rant comes because no one is working on the problem.
An ectopic pregnancy is treated only with abortion. I know this is an obligatory question, but has anyone tried or developed techniques to move the embryo?
Probably not because the cheapest, easiest method to date has been termination.
I’m not a surgeon, but I suspect that would be highly dangerous to both mother and child. How would you get it to implant in the womb, by the time you discovered the problem?
I think you’re just hoping for a perfect world where there must be a perfect solution to everything.
Yes, there are cases in which abortion is justified, as well as “hard cases” on which it might be justified.
But in most cases, it is totally unjustified!!!! Adoption!!!!
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