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Turkey clears way for Finland, Sweden to join NATO - Stoltenberg
Reuters ^ | June 28, 2022 | Humeyra Pamuk, writing by Sabine Siebold

Posted on 06/28/2022 12:26:55 PM PDT by BeauBo

Turkey has agreed to support Finland's and Sweden's bids for NATO membership, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said on Tuesday (28 June).

"I am pleased to announce that we now have an agreement that paves the way for Finland and Sweden to join NATO," he told reporters on the sidelines of a NATO summit in Madrid.

"Turkey, Finland and Sweden have signed a memorandum that addresses Turkey's concerns, including around arms exports and the fight against terrorism," he added.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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To: lump in the melting pot

Kowtowing Putin Stooges worst affected.


21 posted on 06/28/2022 1:18:52 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Reno89519

Because wars are bad things, and having an alliance that is too powerful to attack deters wars.


22 posted on 06/28/2022 1:19:06 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: entropy12
History tells us ancient empires met their demise by over-extending their military in foreign lands.

Not really. I mean, you wouldn't have an empire in the first place unless you sent your troops to foreign lands, right? Arguing that the Roman empire fell it didn't keep its armies in Latium kind of misses the point.

I would argue that most empires fell because the values that gave them the strength to build the empire withered away when life got too easy with imperial wealth.

The people got soft, so the empire fell. That's the far more common story. That's at least if we're talking about the classic definition of an empire - one that lasts more than just a decade or two.

23 posted on 06/28/2022 1:22:40 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: BeauBo

OMG... NOW I’m worried. This is the worst possible result for Putin. Not only is he going to have to find a way to call what happened in Ukraine a victory, but he’s going to have to rationalize the advance of NATO right up to the Russian border. Isn’t this just... slightly... destabilizing?


24 posted on 06/28/2022 1:23:02 PM PDT by Blurp2 (...though it's tawdry and plain, it's a lovely old lane...)
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To: Vermont Lt

“And surprisingly, we aren’t there because Germany was acting poorly.”

I KNOW!! How things have changed, eh? It’s a new world...


25 posted on 06/28/2022 1:24:48 PM PDT by Blurp2 (...though it's tawdry and plain, it's a lovely old lane...)
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To: tlozo

We shall see what Putin demands are...


26 posted on 06/28/2022 1:28:33 PM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

“The people got soft, so the empire fell.”

Not an expert, but I THINK this is an old myth started by Edward Gibbon in his classic work on the Roman Empire. Gibbon was not a modern historiographer and didn’t understand how much his ideas were influenced by the politics of England in the 1780s.

If you have read the History of the Peloponnesian War you know the Athenian Empire didn’t fall because the Athenians got soft. They understood what courage was and they had it in spades.

Then too, describing American hegemony as empire is going way too far, I think. Did we take Iraq’s land and convert the inhabitants to Christianity? Not even close. Are we making the Europeans pay tribute? Not even slightly - quite the reverse, actually. We’re overinvesting in our military, and allowing them to underinvest, because “we” (someone, god knows who) have decided that the political advantages outweigh the financial disadvantages. Whether they do or not is a different question.

Ah, it’s all too complicated for me...


27 posted on 06/28/2022 1:33:23 PM PDT by Blurp2 (...though it's tawdry and plain, it's a lovely old lane...)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

But at our expense? Let them defense themselves for a change.


28 posted on 06/28/2022 1:41:27 PM PDT by Reno89519 (FJB. Respect America, Embrace America, Buy American, Hire American.)
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To: Blurp2

Americans benefit from high paying military industrial complex jobs.


29 posted on 06/28/2022 1:41:51 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: pierrem15

Okie-dokie, good luck with all that, count me out. I have served in a stupid neo-con war, have voted for the neo-cons because “stop socialism”. Done with all that. They’ve been stirring up Ukraine since 2014, it’s obvious. They wanted this. Dead young men is the neo-con wet dream. Tired of these games. Let Europe handle Europe.


30 posted on 06/28/2022 1:49:59 PM PDT by teevolt
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To: BeauBo

What does Turkey get? Recognition of Northern Cyprus?


31 posted on 06/28/2022 1:51:33 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

The main point is overextending resources of empire.
The mighty Mughal empire whose capital was in Delhi. OKAY, Their armies did not go to foreign land. But India is a big country. The empire sent their armies to the south to conquer all of India. That was the beginning of end. The hit and run strategy used by Maratha warlord Shivaji in the south was able to defeat the bigger Mughal armies away from the capital.


32 posted on 06/28/2022 2:05:48 PM PDT by entropy12 (Trump/DeSantis & MAGA! are the only way to keep USA viable.)
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To: BeauBo

Can’t wait to see what we’re giving Turkey in return


33 posted on 06/28/2022 2:07:57 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Berlin_Freeper

4% Americans working in defense industry versus vast lower middle class (retail, hotels, restaurants) getting the shaft.


34 posted on 06/28/2022 2:08:13 PM PDT by entropy12 (Trump/DeSantis & MAGA! are the only way to keep USA viable.)
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To: Blurp2

Spell out the benefits to majority of Americans in the lower 90% earning bracket from spending Trillions of BORROWED money in (Iraq+Afghanistan+Vietnam and other sundry places). Would that money have been better spent in building American infrastructure, subsidizing STEM education, and strengthen social security & Medicare?


35 posted on 06/28/2022 2:12:15 PM PDT by entropy12 (Trump/DeSantis & MAGA! are the only way to keep USA viable.)
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To: BeauBo
That likely cost us another $40 Billion.
36 posted on 06/28/2022 2:13:34 PM PDT by Radix (His Fraudulency Joe Biden…)
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To: entropy12

High paying military industrial jobs are there for people to get, versus no military industrial jobs for people to get

At least for this who can pass a security check like no felony convictions.


37 posted on 06/28/2022 2:15:18 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

*At least for those who can...


38 posted on 06/28/2022 2:16:51 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

“Can’t wait to see what we’re giving Turkey in return”

Yup—the Turks are known as great bargainers—and they are smart enough to keep the ugly part of the deal secret.


39 posted on 06/28/2022 2:20:24 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

It’s known as “poking the bear”...


40 posted on 06/28/2022 2:24:29 PM PDT by fretzer
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