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Russia’s ‘cauldron’ tactic may be tipping Donbas battle in its favour
The Guardian ^ | 5/27/22 | Dan Sabbagh and Peter Beaumont

Posted on 05/27/2022 11:54:32 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: JonPreston
Seems like Russia's goal is to capture all of Donbass and Lutansk.

Then defend the land bridge to Crimea.

Stalemate.

21 posted on 05/27/2022 12:31:12 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: teevolt

The only Ukrainian authority that can order a retreat…is Zelensky.


22 posted on 05/27/2022 12:31:52 PM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: Williams

“Defeat Russia” was always a Western wet dream—total insanity—wacko propaganda.


23 posted on 05/27/2022 12:33:55 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: karpov

“...’conservatives’ on Russia’s side...”

Questioning the narrative and reports on Russia-Ukraine war coming from the Biden Administration and the media DOES NOT equate to being in Russia’s side. Rather it is a result of being both objective and analytical of the information provided.

Only idiots, fools, partisan hacks, or intellectually dishonest people believe the Biden Admin or the media without question.

These are the same people that insist Joe Biden received 81 million votes, January 6th was an insurrection and the biggest threat in our nation’s history, Trump colluded with Russia, men with penises are actually women, and Hunter Biden’s laptop is Russian disinformation. And even though everybody knows those are all lies, you’re still stupid enough to believe everything they report on Ukraine.

PUH-LEEZE!


24 posted on 05/27/2022 12:45:43 PM PDT by Qui is (First, never apologize to the enemy, and second, never forget that Biden spews and Harris swallows. )
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To: karpov
I’m glad that Western aid to Ukraine has played a role in that

About the American $40bn to the Ukraine. Can you tell us in one sentence where that aid came from? Was it just a surplus from somewhere?

25 posted on 05/27/2022 12:52:07 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: silverleaf

Did not know that, thanks. Some of these front line units are depleted to the point of nearly being rock throwers, but seems like they don’t pull them back to replenish and regroup.


26 posted on 05/27/2022 1:07:13 PM PDT by teevolt
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To: Nomad577

Yeah but if the war was going Russia’s way they would occupy Kiev and all of Ukraine by now, and Zelensky would be dead
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Be thankful Russia never mobilized, their Congress ( Duma) voted only to authorized a “special operation”. IF Vlad and his Duma did declare war and fully mobilize, Ukraine would be a heap of rubble from Lviv to Donetsk.

Vlad has excercised much restraint ( and their Congress).

That said, Vlad very precisely stated his intentions just before Feb 24th. He is nearing his stated objectives. The Donbass will gain their Independence from Ukraine, like it or not.


27 posted on 05/27/2022 1:08:46 PM PDT by delta7
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To: JonPreston; All

First there appears a crack.

Then the entire wall suddenly crumbles.

While the dug in Ukrainian defense has been a surprise to everyone, there was never any doubt as to the final outcome.

Once the battle of Donbas is complete, Odessa will be next.


28 posted on 05/27/2022 1:08:50 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: miserare

We recognized Zelensky, Kolomoisky, and the Biden cartel as the corrupt, disgusting scammers and scoundrels who would start and support a war for personal gain.
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Exactly. Thank you. I will bet you are a Pureblood, we saw the scam from day one.


29 posted on 05/27/2022 1:10:28 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Mariner

Exactly. Momentum is being established and with that a collapse of moral.


30 posted on 05/27/2022 1:13:26 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: karpov
It’s weird to see so many “conservatives” on Russia’s side.

Agreed.

The war has clearly gone much worse for Russia than it had planned, and I’m glad that Western aid to Ukraine has played a role in that. Russia intended to take Kiev and other major cities. That’s not happening.

Russia was going to have to be stopped by somebody, at some point -- the sooner the better. Remember Neville Chamberlain.
31 posted on 05/27/2022 1:17:10 PM PDT by Alvin Diogenes
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To: Owen

A good reminder. Americans look at WW2 and all the machines we had and don’t know that The German and Russian armies were mostly transported by rail and on foot with a lot of horses to pull the gear. The Brits would have too if it wasn’t for lend-lease. The Germans and Russians had a relatively few motorized and and armored division. Yes they had huge tank battles but most of the Army marched.


32 posted on 05/27/2022 1:19:11 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: karpov

“It’s weird to see so many “conservatives” on Russia’s side.”

Genuine conservatives are not on either side.

It’s the stupid, anti-Americans that picked a side.


33 posted on 05/27/2022 1:19:30 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Owen
An astonishing number of horses were present and essentially decided the battle.

Because of the mechanized nature of much of the war, few people realize just how large a role horses played in it. Hollywood shows tanks.

34 posted on 05/27/2022 1:21:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Qui is

Yep. The way the populace allows itself to be instantly hacked is astonishing.


35 posted on 05/27/2022 1:23:19 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I suspect you are correct. There’ve been a lot of wild hyperbolic articles (starting with “The Russians aren’t prepared to fight in winter”. Really, they said that.) and it’s all been downhill since then. I also suspect that when it settles down we’ll find that the Ukes committed far more atrocities against their own people than the Russians did. But time will tell.


36 posted on 05/27/2022 1:24:18 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yeah. The preachers in the Worship Soros church appear to have gotten lockjaw all of a sudden. As have the choir and amen corner.


37 posted on 05/27/2022 1:27:08 PM PDT by sport
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To: karpov

It isn’t weird. It’s disgusting.


38 posted on 05/27/2022 1:30:28 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: MinorityRepublican

Seems like Russia’s goal is to capture all of Donbass and Lutansk.
Then defend the land bridge to Crimea.

Stalemate.
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No - checkmate. The little beggar Zelensky has already stated no NATO. With the Neo Nazis base wiped at Marioupol, the Azovs will be just about Denazified.

It will take a decade to rebuild Ukraine, with US taxpayers money no doubt ( minus 10 percent to Joe and his crime syndicate).

If you had read Vlads war speech, you would have known his objectives on day one. Question is, does he go past the Donbass provinces?


39 posted on 05/27/2022 1:31:56 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Qui is

“Questioning the narrative and reports on Russia-Ukraine war coming from the Biden Administration and the media DOES NOT equate to being in Russia’s side.”

Let’s go, Russia!

142 posted on 2/25/2022, 2:04:56 PM by windsorknot


40 posted on 05/27/2022 1:35:15 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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