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Ukraine: Russia must withdraw to pre-war positions for talks
AP ^ | May 25, 2022 | RICARDO MAZALAN

Posted on 05/25/2022 4:13:34 AM PDT by McGruff

Ukraine’s president said Wednesday that Russia must pull back to its pre-war positions as a first step before diplomatic talks, a negotiating line that Moscow is unlikely to agree to anytime soon.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he currently sees no willingness on the part of Russia to resume earnest negotiations on ending the three-month war.

“At the beginning, there was an impression that we can move ahead, that there would be a certain result or some outcome of those talks. But it all has stalled,” Zelenskyy said through an interpreter by video link to attendees at this year’s World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
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To: Steven Tyler

“Russia could go back to their 1915 borders”

They can’t even conquer Ukraine, so that statement is clearly fantasy.


61 posted on 05/25/2022 6:06:04 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Sacajaweau

“The people of Donbas have asked for a referendum.”

Well, the Russians have effectively vetoed that, since a referendum can’t be held in the middle of an invasion.


62 posted on 05/25/2022 6:09:48 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: wastedyears

Again, you miss the point: Russia’s trade has been crippled. They are essentially a closed system.

Yes, they are making some money in oil. But there are minimal other exports and almost no imports. They cannot get parts to maintain and repair their manufacturing.

So...yeah...its a dumpster fire.


63 posted on 05/25/2022 6:18:26 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: McGruff

Zelensky is delusional.


64 posted on 05/25/2022 6:31:59 AM PDT by Spok (Winston, how many fingers am I holding up?)
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To: McGruff

Z’s army in the East is being encircled and massacred.
Supply routes are becoming nonexistent.
Shelled by the advancing Russians along with tens of thousands of DPR troops, and shot by their own UKA commanders if they try to retreat or surrender.
Missiles are taking out military barracks and weapon storage sites in the west. One missile strike recently took out an estimated $400 million in weapons.

With any luck, Russia will decide when and where to stop and present terms.

The d*ck-swinging piano player is in no position to issue demands.


65 posted on 05/25/2022 6:41:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: Not_Who_U_Think
Let’s say at the end of the year, we are in roughly the same spot militarily,

This is what happened at the end of the War of 1812. The boundaries in the US and Canada went back to what they were before the war. The USA and Great Britain negotiated an end to the fighting. A horrifying loss for people who lost life or limb or had their homes and businesses destroyed.

66 posted on 05/25/2022 6:45:55 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Sacajaweau

Donbass is past asking for a referendum.
Minsk agreements showed that to be ineffective.
Donass and Luhansk are now pressing for full breakaway status and their independent status has been recognized by the Russian Duma, using UN procedures to justify supporting them.

What the US engineered in Kosovo provides a model.

In 2014 Crimea held a referendum of overwhelming support for becoming part of Russia, which was never accepted by Kiev or its backers.

Meanwhile other newly occupied oblasts are taking referendums on whether to join with Russia.


67 posted on 05/25/2022 6:49:41 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: McGruff

Russia is a nuclear power. A competent administration would be conducting back channel talks with Russia talking about the status of their tactical nukes; instead we’re daring Putin to use them. In his eyes, we’re leaving him no option. We are dancing at the brink of a nuclear war and no one is taking it seriously.


68 posted on 05/25/2022 6:51:22 AM PDT by Spok (Winston, how many fingers am I holding up?)
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To: wastedyears
a negotiating line that Moscow is unlikely to agree to anytime soon.

Yeah, this is happening, on the 12th of Never.

69 posted on 05/25/2022 6:57:39 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Renfrew

“Tis but a scratch”


70 posted on 05/25/2022 6:59:26 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Williams

reported your comment.


71 posted on 05/25/2022 7:02:18 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: ganeemead
I heard this morning that Bulgaria is going to bring Russia to its knees by making Putin accept rubles for its natural gas.

Take That, Putin!!


72 posted on 05/25/2022 7:02:34 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Pollard

How are sales of his manheels going?


73 posted on 05/25/2022 7:08:38 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: McGruff

And once Russia has withdrawn, we can begin discussing how Russia is going to pay for the reconstruction of Ukraine.


74 posted on 05/25/2022 7:14:33 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: taxcontrol

Yes, the Tooth Fairy is going to put the areas liberated by the Russians under Zel’s pillow tonight.


75 posted on 05/25/2022 7:17:21 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: taxcontrol

Russians have already begun rebuilding Mariupol and other areas damaged by the Nazis with their human shield and slash/burn tactics. Damage to Nazi areas are typically just to legitimate military targets, and I’d guess that the Nazis can rebuild them themselves if they’re interested.


76 posted on 05/25/2022 8:44:25 AM PDT by ganeemead
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To: ganeemead

Russia’a attack on a peaceful neighbor is a violation of international law and is an act of war. Russia must remove their forces, must return all Ukrainian citizens that were removed or captured, and must repair / replace / or pay restitution for all damages caused. The political ideology of the citizens of another country is non of Russia’s business.

One does not reward bad behavior, micro (individuals) or macro (nations).


77 posted on 05/25/2022 8:50:16 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: usconservative
"When will Putin de-nazify Washington DC? Curious minds 'n all that."

Or de-stupify...

The thing I'd really like to see would be for Putin to finish up with Ukraine and then assist the Serbs in retaking Kosovo. THAT would mess deepstate minds so badly that they would never function again.

78 posted on 05/25/2022 8:51:23 AM PDT by ganeemead
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To: All
The Nazis are down to the absolute bottom of Ukraine's manpower barrel. Reports claim they are conscripting people who had never touched a firearm previously and sending them straight to the front to face those Russian tanks, artillary, and mass rocket launchers.

Hurricane (ураган)

79 posted on 05/25/2022 9:02:53 AM PDT by ganeemead
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To: Renfrew

Donbas and Lugansk are practically a done deal. Add the rest of of Zaporozhiye, Odessa and Nikolayev and then it is time for Ze to give up. If not, Harkov and Dnepropetrovsk wouldn’t mind to get liberated. If it doesn’t work, the return to Kiev at full force. The rest is up to Poland for grab.


80 posted on 05/25/2022 9:39:44 AM PDT by NorseViking
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