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Think NIL blew up college sports? California is going for the knockout with new bill
LA TImes ^ | May 16, 2022 | By J. Brady McCollough

Posted on 05/18/2022 11:34:32 AM PDT by Nifty

..........The amount owed to each athlete would be the half of the sport’s total revenue minus the team’s total student grant-in-aid package divided by the number of players. For instance, each USC football player could make upwards of $200,000 a year.

Think about taking $15 million to $20 million that currently has been used to reinvest in football resources and to fund the rest of the athletic department and transferring it to football players, and it’s easy to see why administrators are getting ready for a fight.

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KEYWORDS: amateurathletics; amateursports; california; collegefootball; nil
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I have a theory that football and basketball never developed minor leagues because they are the two major sports whose collegiate leagues were more popular than the professional leagues through the middle of the 20th century.


21 posted on 05/18/2022 1:20:58 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: Nifty

“The amount owed to each athlete would be the half of the sport’s total revenue minus the team’s total student grant-in-aid package divided by the number of players.”

Nice try, California, but Title IX insists excess funds from male sports’ revenue be spent on female sports. College sports teams receive name recognition which is valuable for fundraising, but sports-team spending already exceeds revenue in nearly every case, except a few rare instances when net revenue may get carried over for a few years.


22 posted on 05/18/2022 1:26:47 PM PDT by dangus (I had some sympathies for some of Russia's positions... until they started a G-d-damned war.)
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To: dangus

It sounds like this will be a “make lawyers rich” bill while all the parties sue in each other in a circular firing squad.


23 posted on 05/18/2022 1:29:32 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Not a theory at all. You’re 100% correct in the case of football. It’s a little more complicated in the case of basketball because they sorta DO have a minor-league system, the Development League (G League). College sports make such well-trained stars that the majority of basketball players (but no longer a super-majority) skip D League.


24 posted on 05/18/2022 1:29:40 PM PDT by dangus (I had some sympathies for some of Russia's positions... until they started a G-d-damned war.)
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To: georgecorgi
The revenue producing college sports (I. E. Football and mens basketball) have been ripping off the athletes for decades.There is no correlation between athletic ability and the ability to perform college level studies.

I don't see the "ripoff".

The highly recruited, Power 5 conference players are the exception rather than the rule. The overwhelmingly majority of college football and basketball players really are "student-athletes", have no pro aspirations, and are just playing for the love of the game and/or scholarship. The current system works well for them.

It also allows a lot of guys to somewhat hedge their bets. They go and play for their college and if they do really well, may have a shot at the pros. But otherwise, they can still come out of the experience with a college degree.

If there was no college football, then the only alternative would be minor leagues which tend to pay very poorly and that offer nothing as a fallback like a college education. The kind of minor league system that baseball has can't exist solely because of the antitrust exemption, which neither football nor basketball have. There is no way that the pro teams in those sports are going to invest money in a minor league system when they cannot retain the rights to the players in that minor league system.

25 posted on 05/18/2022 1:33:31 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Alberta's Child

Those sports can’t develop effective minor leagues because they lack baseball’s antitrust exemption. Teams aren’t going to pour money into a minor league team when they can’t retain the rights to those players.


26 posted on 05/18/2022 1:37:30 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
That’s one thing baseball has over football. Every time I’ve seen a pro footfall minor league team start, it fails in a season or two. So as far as solutions go, that isn’t one.

The thing that holds most of minor league baseball together is MLB affiliation. The only football league that had something comparable was NFL Europe, which was around for about 10 years.

If we kill off college football (which they appear to be trying to do), the top talent will probably go elsewhere. With a weaker CFB, the developmental leagues might become viable.

27 posted on 05/18/2022 1:40:15 PM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: Nifty

It’s amazing…these people don’t understand the difference between revenues, income, expenses, or profit.

I guess in a world where nothing costs anything, you just spend all the checks when they come in. So, everyone should get some.


28 posted on 05/18/2022 1:41:15 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Terry L Smith

How much does the university make off that STEM student while they’re in school?

Really it’s absurd that this multibillion dollar exists while banning having the most important workers, the ones that are actually at risk every game, make any money. Maybe in the early days when it wasn’t an industry. But the minute coaches started making more money than teachers it was an industry and EVERYBODY should have been getting paid.


29 posted on 05/18/2022 1:42:26 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
The unstated reason why there is no minor league in football is injuries. Need to get the cannon fodder asap so they can perform a few years in the nfl before blowing a knee.

A minor league in lieu of college might make sense but not in addition.

30 posted on 05/18/2022 2:17:32 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: discostu

STEM research assistants often aid in the creation of patented objects and start ups that can yield the college millions. Meanwhile the STEM RA maybe gets a job at the startup as his only recompense.


31 posted on 05/18/2022 2:20:15 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Millions over years as opposed to millions every year.

And keep in mind that the STEM student is allowed to make money on the side while in college. Which the illusion of amateurism has prevented until very recently that of the athlete. No STEM student has lost their scholarship because somebody comped them a tattoo.


32 posted on 05/18/2022 2:28:50 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: dangus
“The amount owed to each athlete would be the half of the sport’s total revenue minus the team’s total student grant-in-aid package divided by the number of players.” Nice try, California, but Title IX insists excess funds from male sports’ revenue be spent on female sports...

Maybe this rule will apply to women's sports too. The math would sure be fun: (Large negative number) - (All their scholarships) / # of players = Total bill each player owes for the privilege of playing

33 posted on 05/18/2022 2:32:08 PM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: Gil4

Lol. Might also keep the trannies out of women’s sports.


34 posted on 05/18/2022 2:37:20 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: Nifty

What to do. On the one hand, the kids deserve a share of the revenue generated off of their blood sweat and tears. On the other, this is just creating another pro league but lower paying.

One solution, accumulate the share due the athlete in a fund that the athlete cannot touch until they spend at least three years in school, or even, go the full distance and graduate. A portion of the funds would be offset against the amount of the scholarship value. Best of both worlds, the kid can have a living stipend.


35 posted on 05/18/2022 3:09:14 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

My reference was to Division I, as I stated.
The entire edifice of revenue-producing college sports is phony. “College degree?” Have you looked at the graduation rates in the Division I revenue-producing sports? They’re pathetic and the vast majority of those who graduate have majors that end in the word “studies.” IOW, utter crap. Athletes like Dexter Manley go to “college” for 4 years and come out illiterate. Do you even watch college basketball and football? Most of the players couldn’t put a grammatically correct English sentence together if you pointed a gun to their heads.
Then, there is the rampant criminality. A few years ago, virtually the entire Rutgers recruiting class ended up in the criminal justice system. Anyone who follows sports knows that SEC stands for “Schools Enrolling Criminals.” The mollycoddling of criminal “student-athletes “ at Southern schools is simply another example of its essentially bestial culture.
I know this is tough for people to understand but universities exist to prepare intelligent young people to take prominent places in society. They do not exist to provide entertainment to HL Mencken’s Great Unwashed.
Finallly, if we ended the fiction that giving “scholarships” to illiterate violent felons has value in the free market, the players could then earn the money they deserve. There is no good reason for the Duke basketball coach to make $9 million a year and the players to get bupkis. This is a government-created market inefficiency that should disgust anyone who is not a Socialist or a freeloader.


36 posted on 05/18/2022 3:20:17 PM PDT by georgecorgi
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

The television money blows away anything you mentioned and more than pays for the facilities- which usually gets a massive boost from big money donors who want their names on stadiums, fields, etc.

Cincinnati, Florida State, USC and other major programs bring in millions upon millions from TV deals but don’t draw well.

The NCAA has been getting away with highway robbery for year- and most of it is tax free!!


37 posted on 05/18/2022 3:39:48 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: georgecorgi
There is no good reason for the Duke basketball coach to make $9 million a year and the players to get bupkis. This is a government-created market inefficiency.

I have no idea what you're talking about with this. The NCAA is a private, voluntary association of schools. So what exactly is "government-created" about the coaches earning more than do the players?

38 posted on 05/18/2022 4:10:28 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

The Department of Education regulates and enables the criminality of Division I schools.


39 posted on 05/18/2022 4:19:25 PM PDT by georgecorgi
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To: georgecorgi
My reference was to Division I, as I stated.

There are more than 250 schools playing Division 1 football. At about 75 kids per team (which is low), that's 18,750 kids playing Division 1 football. About 250 get drafted each year. So again, the overwhelming majority of Division 1 players are not pro prospects.

40 posted on 05/18/2022 4:23:49 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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