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Putin’s top military commander wounded in Ukraine and scurries back to Russia just days after sent to take charge of war
The Sun ^ | 1 May 2022 | Will Stewart, Aliki Kraterou

Posted on 05/01/2022 8:12:10 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246

VLADIMIR Putin's top military commander has been wounded in Ukraine and was sent back to Russia just days after he arrived to take charge of the war.

The Chief of the Russian General Staff Valery Gerasimov had been sent by Putin to take personal control of his push to grab territory in Donbas and eastern Ukraine.

(Excerpt) Read more at thesun.co.uk ...


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To: ought-six

Military Service is not voluntary in Ukraine. Men that tried to leave with their families were pulled out of line and became instant soldiers.


61 posted on 05/01/2022 10:35:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: dennisw

Re: 25 - Really? At least based on the Buchanan article you posted at the link and which I read, there was nothing in the article about him supporting Ukraine.


62 posted on 05/01/2022 10:36:04 AM PDT by Fury
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To: PIF

“Not according to reports from various people on scene. “

For example... ?


63 posted on 05/01/2022 10:38:56 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: JamesP81

WWII....Poland was the vile enemy of Ukraine...Wouldn’t even recognize them. In our nearby town in Upstate, the Poles and Ukees had street fights on a regular basis. Russians and Ukees were heavily intermarried...and still are.


64 posted on 05/01/2022 10:40:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Lurker

A drone of any kind is a really useful tool for an FO (Forward Observer). Its not going to get you a precise initial salvo, but it gives real time feedback for adjusting fire, which is an FO’s job. And it can see where he can’t.

There was a superb video a few weeks ago of a Ukrainian mortar team using a tiny drone to do this for a single mortar. That is huge. A small drone is fine for a short ranged weapon like an 82mm mortar. Set up the mortar, send up the drone, observe enemy (over the hill, in some trees, etc.), shoot, adjust, shoot, adjust, fire for effect, pack up mortar and leave, recover drone.


65 posted on 05/01/2022 10:41:34 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: tlozo

Generally, if the big dog is there, there are a whole bunch of other high ranking officers hanging around.


66 posted on 05/01/2022 10:42:45 AM PDT by 2ABN321FA
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To: Grzegorz 246
Oh no,

We're so benevolent. No nice-

We're all about rule of law, international treaties, human rights, bla bla bla... (sarc)

From our past-
Just ask the native American Indians
Mexico
Chinese slaves that built the railway
Black slaves

And today-
Chinese slaves in China working at $1.15 per hour (forced and child labor is OK).
Our slaves in India in the tech sector (white collar slaves)
Or the blue collar slaves (illegals) whom we know are illegal, are dependent on in certain industries, and keep in their status because it serves the bottom line.

This nation has “always” been about greed.

This nation has one god: mammon.

You will find very moral people in the US. You will find very benevolent people in the US. But as a nation, we have always only been about making $$$, past and present.

The rest is just bullshit that is about as goofy as a belief in the tooth-fairy. These are causes to get people to rally around. People need to feel like they are justified, the good guys, as if there is a righteous purpose.

If you just come out as say the truth, “we like Saudi Arabia because they buy $200 billion of our weapons in 10 years and are one of the worlds biggest oil producers and listen to us,” that doesn't sound noble, does it? That doesn't sound like we have a just cause or some moral high ground, does it?

https://www.out.com/news/2019/4/29/saudi-arabia-kills-5-after-homosexual-acts-confession (why do you think our policy makers make it a POINT not to talk about this? We rip our mouth open about LGBTQIA+ causes everywhere else, when it serves our purpose! hahaha)

https://www.out.com/news/2019/4/29/saudi-arabia-kills-5-after-homosexual-acts-confession (why does a corporate MSM that is politically connected say little about this? He was hacked apart alive. Meaning, they made sure he could see himself being dismembered and disemboweled - a US resident, working for the US media, residing in the US, who's crime was to criticize the prince).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_propagation_of_Salafism_and_Wahhabism (there just aren't a lot of stories out there on how most of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, or how they fund most of the Maddresses where some of the radicals came/come from... Why?)

For enough money, if you have a value for us as a pawn on the grand international chess board, your name can be Osama Bin Laden, and we'll back you as we did him in the 1980s.

You can be a drug lord growing poppies in Afghanistan, and we will literally guard your crop and let you screw little boys on our military compound in Afghanistan and go after a US major that has a problem with that. Because our “values” won't get in the way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/world/asia/21marja.html (in some cases we actually had our armed forces PROTECTING the drug crop - I wonder why we don't talk about that much?)

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html

Individually- America is a nation where you can find some of the most noble, honorable, moral people. (I'm not kidding)

Collectively- we are amoral at best and entirely guided by a utilitarian short sighted approach that is intended to maximize our economic wealth and political power.

67 posted on 05/01/2022 10:46:31 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6
“From our past-
Just ask the native American Indians
Mexico
Chinese slaves that built the railway
Black slaves

And today-
Chinese slaves in China working at $1.15 per hour (forced and child labor is OK).
Our slaves in India in the tech sector (white collar slaves)
Or the blue collar slaves (illegals) whom we know are illegal, are dependent on in certain industries, and keep in their status because it serves the bottom line.

This nation has “always” been about greed.

This nation has one god: mammon.”

Yep, evil America, the great Satan, isn't it ?

68 posted on 05/01/2022 10:49:49 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Correction.

Second link was in error: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45812399


69 posted on 05/01/2022 10:50:05 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Sacajaweau

“Military Service is not voluntary in Ukraine. Men that tried to leave with their families were pulled out of line and became instant soldiers.”

So? They still have to have the resolve and commitment to fight or they’d be wholly ineffectual. Resolve and good weaponry are pretty effective.

In Japan in WWII the entire Japanese population was involved in the war effort, one way or the other. They had the resolve, but not the armaments to continue fighting. The nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki broke their resolve.

Maybe it will take Russian nukes against Ukraine to break Ukrainian resolve. Or, maybe it will escalate to something no one really wants, but has to deal with, nonetheless.


70 posted on 05/01/2022 11:02:09 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Pilsner

—> The assertion is either correct, or it is not correct.

Someday we will likely know if true

—> Unfortunately for Putin, and his Fanbois, the facts — at present — are not favorable

Someday we will likely know if true

—> Rather than having the intellectual honesty, and moral courage, to admit that, you try to play games by denouncing every unfavorable assertion as ‘propoganda’ (sic).

I pointed out you quoted a fake news source.


71 posted on 05/01/2022 11:07:24 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything.)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Believe in God.

Don't put your faith in fellow man.

You will end up disappointed.

The US as a nation is exceptional because of the system of government which our Founding Fathers created.

It was unique, yes “exceptional.”

It maximized individual liberty and created a stable government that was essentially confined in its powers/authority.

It accomplished this by creating balances in power, by empowering the individual (Bill of Rights), states, and three bodies of the federal government, building in a democratic process, rules that are easy to read and available to all (US Constitution).

America isn't great because we are genetically superior. It isn't a great place because we figured out how to overcome the basic sins to which all humans fall prey. We do not defy the basic natural or economic principals and as we become more socialist and mismanage our economy we see the same results as in the former East Block...

We just were lucky (or it was divine) to have a bunch of really frigging smart dudes come together that were educated in some of the classical and enlightenment ideas. These dudes create a framework for a government that is supposed to follow these rules and processes described in the US Constitution. We are still just full of lust, greed, sloth, envy, wrath, pride and gluttony like everyone else.

We will murder for money, we will rob, steal, cheat and lie about it all. If you think that's wrong to say, just look at our crime statistics. Look at many of our nations Congressmen that are essentially benefiting from various schemes to enrich themselves. The difference is that we once we a free people, and while a free economy is not necessarily a moral one, a centrally planned and top down one is always evil (it allows for massive corruption, theft, and less people benefit from the fruits of their labor...).

72 posted on 05/01/2022 11:10:36 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Fury

You are correct. I was wrong.


73 posted on 05/01/2022 11:11:05 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Grzegorz 246

Some where in the last few days - best I can do. Try 04/26

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP2QApi8G2TKc8NZmeDWSUg/videos


74 posted on 05/01/2022 11:13:15 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: FreshPrince

“I had more sympathy for Putin as well for the reasons you state. Now it is obvious it was just a facade.”

Putin was so amenable that GW had him to his Texas ranch for BBQ and talk.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-once-spoke-with-george-w-bush-at-a-rural-texas-high-school-and-answered-questions-about-human-rights/ar-AAWlOwm?ocid=uxbndlbing


75 posted on 05/01/2022 11:13:39 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Grzegorz 246

I’m going to take this even further so you understand.

FDR was no better than Stalin.

If he could have shipped off all those that were opposed to him to gulags, he would have. He just couldn’t do it.

You see the difference?

It’s not that FDR was a better man. He wasn’t. He just couldn’t do these things. There were boundaries which he was not able to cross because the legislature, a supreme court, the states, or the people themselves wouldn’t play along. He had to go to extreme measures to get away with what he was doing (like expanding the supreme court) and he faced opposition.

But take a look at us today. We are more centralized today. The federal government is nearly all powerful. And what do you see with Covid? What do you see happening with free speech? What do you see happening economically when everything is run almost like in the Soviet Union where they decide how many electric cars will be on the road in 10 years, what light-bulb you should use, how many gallons of water a toilet may use per flush?

The reason why you were free here, is because the assholes didn’t have the power to run/ruin your life, they didn’t have a say over what you did on your property, what guns you own, what you do with your money, how you save it, move it, spend it, what you write in your news paper, how you slaughter animals, whatever... You were “free.” But in the name of national security, for the protection of our children, for the environment (a thousand different make belief smaller causes), to fight crime, drugs, save some animal or even a tree on the other side of the planet, to be more “fair” between the sexes and races, to create a social “safety net,” we have been able to create a “collectivist” society.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/7/2156 Why?

If my neighbor wants to have cock fights, how does this infringe on my rights? Meaning, he is free to do “WHATEVER” he wants up until it begins to limit my freedom. He can’t steal my cocks for his fights for example... But today we have a collectivist view of what limits freedom and rights, i.e. your use of hairspray causes me to get skin cancer and so the government can regulate it (all bullshit, but that’s how that works). Your lack of use of a seat-belt in a car causes me to pay more for medical care and insurance, so I can tell you what to do... Not the way it’s supposed to be!

The American dream of freedom and liberty is mostly dead. That is what made us “special.” We were once free.


76 posted on 05/01/2022 11:38:52 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Grzegorz 246
Let me even cross a bridge forbidden.

I am a fan of Ronald Reagan (i.e. The Great One).

He is still just a man. He armed folks in Afghanistan that weren't the nicest people.

He lied about arming people in Latin America.

He wasn't perfect and many of his decisions didn't bring the perfect results.

IMHO he was a patriot and guided by the correct greater philosophical approach to governance. Yet in an imperfect world, he was often left making compromises and decisions of the lesser evil. He himself wasn't perfect and he made mistakes or at times even lied, cheated, etc.

Perfect human? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2935230/The-Playboy-President-young-Ronald-Reagan-charmed-50-Hollywood-s-leading-ladies-including-Marilyn-Monroe-luxury-LA-bungalow.html (hardly)

But he had certain ideas about limited government, personal liberty and culpability, free speech, property rights, that made him like Trump a great President.

What made the US great historically was our free economy, the maximization of personally liberty: property rights, freedom of speech, the right to move freely in the country, bear arms, due process, a government that was serving the people (not just buying them off with free cell phones while they commit treason essentially)...

The mistake you're making is believing that somehow we are capable of breaking away from sin, or that we can somehow defy basic human nature and economic forces. We don't. Our scum is just as bad as some German scum, or Russian scum... Listen to Klaus Schwab. I don't need to be a conspiracy theorist. Just listen to the guy he tells you what he believes in! But then realize that most the heads of US corporations and many in US government attend these meetings, they are on board with this!!! But imagine if that scum has limits in what they can do?!?!?

77 posted on 05/01/2022 12:04:51 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Grzegorz 246
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78 posted on 05/01/2022 12:31:55 PM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: EEGator

“American weapons, intelligence, training, technology, and strategy are why the Ukrainians are still as well off as they are.”

More like Russian weapons, intelligence, training, technology, and strategy are why the Ukrainians are still as well off as they are.


79 posted on 05/01/2022 1:23:39 PM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: Brellium

“They sank the Moskva with a weapon based on a prior soviet design.”

This weapon, this Neptune cruise missile, was made in Ukraine. Two were fired off from Odessa and two struck the Moskva, setting off the ammunition onboard.. ...Yes, based on a Soviet era design, but improved upon. Perhaps vastly improved upon. They have been busy bees in Ukraine, and preparing for years for a Russkie war against them. Ukies are very clever when it comes to war and self defense.

Ukies got lucky. Without the ammunition detonating, the Moskva probably would not have sunk. But then, perhaps Ukies had intel that there was plenty of ammo on board Moskva and where it was located.


80 posted on 05/01/2022 1:33:45 PM PDT by dennisw
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