Posted on 04/16/2022 10:14:18 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
Russia's warplanes bombed Lviv and its missiles struck Kyiv and Kharkiv on Saturday, as Moscow followed through on a threat to launch more long-range attacks on Ukrainian cities after its Black Sea Fleet's flagship was sunk.
In besieged Mariupol, scene of the war's heaviest fighting and worst humanitarian catastrophe, Russian troops pressed recent advances, hoping to make up for their failure to capture Kyiv by seizing their first big prize of the war.
Moscow said its planes had struck a tank repair factory in the capital, where an explosion was heard and smoke seen in the southeastern Darnytskyi district. Kyiv's mayor said at least one person had died and medics were fighting to save others.
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Nice try. Straw man fallacy. Care to try again?
But if I was, and they were, I’d most definitely fight to defend them, and I’m 7.
BTW: Do you even have the slightest idea who Sparky is?
Then why did Russia sign away sovereignty and border rights to Ukraine in 1994?
Anything beyond sanctions and “selling” arms would escalate things and put us on that WWIII path.
***You guys never learnt the lesson of Sudetenland. Appeasement just leads to encouraging the tyrant aggressor and ya end up with 50-60Million dead as a result.
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I think we should, and we should be providing boots on the ground as well. The Russians killed Americans during Vietnam and Korea. This is not much different. Especially since the Russians, Ukrainians, and USA signed a sovereignty/borders agreement with Ukraine and this invasion is the second violation of that agreement.
I’m fine with sending US troops to the western part of Ukraine to free up Ukes to fight in the east. And we could just set up volunteers to go and fight in the eastern portion if they wanna. And if we send in American boots on the ground, we damned well better be negotiating American Land as the thing to fight for. Big, sweeping American EmBASEees along the border between Russia and Ukraine. A Lend Lease project. Americans fighting for American land. For generations we could use that land to build airports and fight terrorism in that region. I would call it the BBudapest AAgreement LLend LLease program because it would take BALLs.
from my home page
I have been advocating for several years a policy I call ‘embaseees’. Embassy + AirBase —> EmBASEeees. We go into a terrorist country, clear out their taliban equivalent, then withdraw to very large Embassies, perhaps 3 of them. Have them big enough to encompass a military airbase where we can use it for decades on end to conduct anti-terrorism operations. As long as the ‘host’ country aint killing Americans then we let them have self-sovereignty. Kind of like how we operated in the Phillipines for decades. We could even have an intermediate zone that we patrol but it would be autonomous. Let them have their taste of freedom. A referendum every 10 years to see how large the boundaries of the intermediate autonomous zone should be.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4043681/posts
The blood of the innocent Ukrainians (like the lady pictured) is also on the hands of those preposterously supporting the fatuous claim that Ukraine can somehow “win” this conflict, and therefore need not negotiate (and indeed, were acting intelligently in treating the Russians with contempt in the run up to the invasion).
***The Rukes are already turning their attention to the real prize, the oil & gas reserves in the east. That’s what this war was about. Let’s say the Zelly promotes the idea that the Rukes can have political control over the 2 breakaway “republics” but the Ukes keep all the gas & oil rights. Ya think your boy Vlad would allow that? Nope. All this huffin’ and puffin’ about Russian speaking locals was just pretense.
Ah, at least you’ve read my posts. That’s good.
So then do you agree with Trump on this Ukraine stuff? He has promoted sending more aid than even Biden has.
They discovered oil & gas, that’s why. This whole war is about oil.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
The last time there was a local tyrant who invaded his neighbor over oil rights, there was an international coalition that kicked his ass back to Iraq. The only mistake was that we didn’t round him up.
this situation since before 2014.
***1994: Russia, Ukraine, USA sign Budapest Accession to the United Nations ratified Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Ukes honor it by giving up nukes.
2012: Oil & gas reserves discovered in the region.
2014: Russia violates the treaty, invades & annexes Crimea when there’s a weak-kneed anti-American president at POTUS.
2016-2020: Russia quiet about Ukraine, no weak knees detected.
2021: Russia invades the rest of the country. Weak kneed democrap prez in charge again.
That’s the 40,000 foot view. If the Ukes had never given up those nukes they never woulda never been invaded. And we had better get nuclear nonproliferation right, or the world goes to hell in a handbasket.
IKR
The Ukes are fighting for their country. You’re buying into the propaganda about this being a globalist thing.
My war start date is 2014.
***Then you’re ignoring the 2 big ticket dates on the docket. 2012, when oil & gas reserves were discovered. And 1994, when Russia signed the agreement towards Uke sovereignty and borders.
K is a scum bag too and this war is as much his fault as it is Putin’s.
***Putin INVADED Ukraine. I dunno who K is but I doubt he INVADED Russia.
The Crimea is Russian and has been since the time of Catherine the Great.
***Russia signed away sovereignty and borders to Ukraine in 1994. They invaded once oil & gas reserves were found there. It’s obvious this whole war is about oil.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
The last time there was a local tyrant who invaded his neighbor over oil rights, there was an international coalition that kicked his ass back to Iraq. The only mistake was that we didn’t round him up.
What kind of bullshiite parroting is this? Take a critical thinking class.
“This whole war is about oil.”
Well Ukraine certainly made sure that Russia had PLENTY of reasons to invade, other than oil.
...and just think, if Ukraine had simply called off their Nazis in Donbass, allowed Russian to be an official language there, not tried to join NATO, and not tried to join the EU, then many here who believe Ukraine goaded Russia to attack them wouldn’t have anything to stand on...and we just might then think that oil was the only factor.
doesn’t that make them justifiable targets.??
***Russia INVADED Ukraine. When the Ukes build their suitcase nuke and one of Russia’s cities goes up in a nuke plume due to this existential war, was that city a justifiable target? After all, we built nukes when we were in an existential war, and we’re the ones who have betrayed the Ukes who gave up their nukes.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/map-russian-empire-1914
https://vividmaps.com/old-maps-of-russia/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsardom_of_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Fields
You’re just operating as a troll.
A weird parroting troll at that.
Well Ukraine certainly made sure that Russia had PLENTY of reasons to invade, other than oil.
***Looking at it from your propagandistic perspective, yeah I can see why you would say that. I’m surprised you haven’t bought a few Brooklyn Bridges in your past.
...and just think, if Ukraine had simply called off their Nazis in Donbass, allowed Russian to be an official language there, not tried to join NATO, and not tried to join the EU,
***All just a bunch of excuses. Weak excuses at that. Not nearly enough reason to invade a country. But hey, let’s use those same kinds of excuses to invade Mexico and set up a 100 mile border protection zone to keep out the Narco state and their drugs and their constant flow of illegal colonizers. Sounds good to me.
then many here who believe Ukraine goaded Russia to attack them wouldn’t have anything to stand on...
***I am amazed that you actually believe this crap.
and we just might then think that oil was the only factor.
***When Zelly proposes that Russia keep the political control of those regions but none of the oil & gas rights, ya honestly think Vlad is gonna go for that? Bullshiite.
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