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Russia Accuses Ukraine Of Shelling Its Bryansk Region, Kyiv Rejects Claim
Radio free Europe ^ | 15 March 2022

Posted on 04/16/2022 1:10:53 AM PDT by Cronos

Authorities in Russia's Bryansk region bordering Ukraine have accused Kyiv of shelling the Russian town of Klimovo and allegedly causing casualties, while the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (RNBO) rejected the accusations, calling them "an attempt to ignite anti-Ukraine hysteria in Russia."

The Bryansk region's governor, Aleksandr Bogomaz, said on April 14 that two buildings were damaged in the attack, which he said was conducted by the armed forces of Ukraine.

Medical personnel at Klimovo's central hospital told the Russian news agency TASS that seven people, including a pregnant woman and a child, were wounded.

Russia's Investigative Committee said the attack was conducted by two Ukrainian military helicopters, adding that it has launched a criminal case into the attack.

A video purportedly taken in Klimovo after the attack circulated on the Internet showing a burning house.

It is not fully clear where and when the video was taken.

Klimovo is located about 10 kilometers from the Ukrainian border.

Authorities in another Russian region, Belgorod, said on April 14 that Ukrainian armed forces shelled the Russian village of Spodorashino. No casualties were reported.

Also on April 14, Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) said Ukrainian armed forces opened fire at the Novyye Yurovichi border checkpoint in the Bryansk region. No casualties were reported there either.

Meanwhile, in its April 14 statement, the RNBO dscribed the Russian claims as the "implementation of plans to organize terrorist acts" by Russia on Russian territory "to incite anti-Ukraine hysteria in the Russian Federation."

The RNBO statement said that its Center for Countermeasures against Disinformation had previously warned about the "enemy's plans to organize a series of terrorist acts in Russia's territories close to the border to consolidate Russians against Ukrainians."

The RNBO's statement added that, a day earlier, authorities in Kursk, another Russian region bordering Ukraine, also claimed that Ukrainian forces attacked a border guard unit in Russia's Korenev district.

On April 13, the Russian Defense Ministry accused Ukraine of shelling Russian territories, warning that, if the attacks continue, Moscow will have to strike Ukraine's "decision-making centers," including Kyiv.

Russia launched its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine on February 24. After weeks of resistance by Ukrainian armed forces, Russia withdrew its forces from Ukraine’s northern territories bordering with Bryansk and other regions of Russia.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: baghdadbob; emptythreat; emptythreats; vladtheimploder
Putin accusing Ukraine of what he himself is doing?

Standard KGB's deflection by accusing the victim of what the aggressor itself is doing

1 posted on 04/16/2022 1:10:53 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Russia hits Kyiv missile factory after its flagship is sunk

Russia says plant was used to produce Neptune cruise missiles — the type of missile reportedly used to destroy the Moskva

The Times of Israel
By DAPHNE ROUSSEAU
Today, 5:48 am
https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-hits-kyiv-missile-factory-after-its-flagship-is-sunk/


2 posted on 04/16/2022 2:23:32 AM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Cronos

In a little more than 3 weeks,...

How the war with Ukraine could color Victory Day in Russia this year
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/war-ukraine-color-victory-day-russia-year-rcna23650


3 posted on 04/16/2022 2:29:16 AM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Cronos

Ukraine was boasting about this a couple of days ago, and Ukrainian shelling of the Donbas and nearby areas of Russia was one of the things that started this whole brutal farce. But the Ukrainians are convinced that the Big Guy has their back, mostly because he’s afraid to oppose them because of all they know about his dirty dealings in Ukraine. And he or whatever is behind him thinks that a war is the best way to distract from the fact that he is trying to shake hands with his invisible friend and can’t find his way out a a room.

Also, the Dems think this is a way to deflect from inflation.

Heck, thousands of dead Ukrainians, thousand of dead Russians, and even WWIII isn’t too much to pay for Joe, is it?


4 posted on 04/16/2022 3:15:37 AM PDT by livius
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To: Cronos

The Russians are known for their deceit. They cannot be trusted even with the Olympics lol.


5 posted on 04/16/2022 5:05:17 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: livius; All

Several points here -

— As a lover and seeker of truth and non-revisionist history, and as one who has spent most of a decade in Russia, as well as having spent significant time in Ukraine, I have many friends and contacts in both.

Over the past month, I have had Christian conservative Russian* and American friends on the ground across UA, and they have witnessed large scale civilian targeting and death of UA civilians by Russian forces.

Some of these have themselves also come under fire in multiple locations, trying to evacuate people and deliver water and food. Some of those (including Russian nationals), who were trying to help, were hunted and killed by Russian soldiers, as well as Russian backed mercenaries.

About a month ago, I put out an urgent prayer request from a Christian/Evangelical Russian evacuation team, which had three bus loads of mostly women and children, which were blocked, and several of them shot. It was the last transmission I had received from them. In this case, it was Russian forces killing Russian aid workers and Ukrainian civilians.

In these cases, this was Russian killing well marked Russian aid workers, and not merely Russian fighters killing Ukrainians Army/Guard. ​

Another American missionary team I have known since 1993 in Moscow, had been blocked at gun point by Russian soldiers further South, and that was the last transmission I had from them about a month ago. They had a bus of women, children, and elderly.

— There is no “Nazi” AZOV Bde as many on FR are parroting. As a matter of record, for this fight, (right or wrong, and while hated, and with pre-known Putin propaganda value), realizing they were on the precipice of another (historically the 6th RU related invasion) full scale invasion, UA “stood up several new Brigades. UA took roughly 2100 UA Guard and ordered the integration of the infamous 350-400 Azov NAZI BN.

You can argue it was wrong to integrate the “Azov BN” into a new “stood-up” Bde, but you cannot argue this is a neo-Nazi Bde. To borrow a medical term, to do so is not “clinical” (factual), and is an emotionally driven and false mis-characterization of the roughly 2100 hundred UA Army Guard regulars comprising 4/5’s of this Bde.

Additionally, many on Freerepublic continue to regurgitate patently false information as to how Eastern UA was truly orchestrated by Russia, and the available related detail. As well, the same strategies have been utilized by KGB/FSB and GRU in many countries, past and present.

— The false narrative spawns The false narrative as to what is actually well understood as UNKNOWN casualty counts from Eastern Ukraine, which are truly divided, as Russia and Russian backed forces have also killed thousands of actual Ukrainian’s, and there has been a dynamic displacement of well over 1.5 Million Eastern Ukrainian people, often having their small farms and homes stripped away. This has happened both from within Russian controlled areas, and along the slowly Westward pressing “Line of Contact”.

The actual numbers from both sides of the conflict are deliberately non-published, but are SIGNIFICANTLY DIVIDED — PERIOD.

Information from both, but predominantly Russia has been, and is kept unpublished, as it would reveal much more direct effort and long term strategy from Moscow, to take Eastern Ukraine and more.

The best info available includes significant efforts from Russian associated NGO’s, and paints worse picture than most are aware.

MULTIPLE SOURCES —

*Approximate RUS/UA Donbas Death Count
Ukraine —

UAF, NGU, and UA Volunteer Approx Soldiers dead — 4,641*
6 APR 2014 to 23 FEB 2022

*******

DPR (RUS Supported Donetsk Forces)
LPR (RUS Supported Luhansk Forces)
Approx Dead - 5,795*
6 APR 2014 to 23 FEB 2022

HARD BREAK —

Deaths of the following, are far less likely to be counted, as it would reveal how Moscow has literally been training and supporting neo-NAZI’s, and since 2004/2005 not just in Eastern Ukraine —

https://www.memri.org/dttm/foreign-fighters-least-35-neo-nazi-white-supremacist-and-ultranationalist-groups-based-us-texas

https://informnapalm.org/en/russian-neo-nazis-in-the-ranks-of-wagner-pmc/

https://bitterwinter.org/nazism-in-ukraine-7-russian-propaganda/

https://bitterwinter.org/nazism-in-ukraine-6-pro-russian-nazi-fighters/

https://newslanc.com/tsukerman-russian-nazi-volunteers-in-donbas/

Russian Communist/Nazi alliance fighting in Donbas to take Eastern Ukraine for Russia —

Communist and NAZI’s have been trained, funded, and supported and fighting together in Eastern Ukraine, as well as being actively seeking destabilization of Ukraine since the late 1990’s, but from these specific groups linked here, from the early 2000’s.
https://www.outono.net/elentir/2022/03/01/the-alliance-of-pro-russian-communists-and-nazis-fighting-against-ukraine-in-donbas/

SENT FROM RUSSIA —

https://khpg.org/en/1608809502
https://khpg.org/en/1445287320

Russian 8th Army in Ukraine —

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas

SCROLL DOWN AND LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PICS

https://newslanc.com/tsukerman-russian-nazi-volunteers-in-donbas/
https://newslanc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/volunteer05.png

*******

Uniformed Russian Armed Forces
(low approximate)
Dead - 500 (US State Department)
From 6 APR 2014 to 10 MAR 2015*

>>Russian news site Delovaya Zhizn (Business Life) reported approximately 2,000 RUS Army Dead in Ukraine by
1 FEB 2015 <<

*******

>> Elana Vasilyeva (Multiple Russian Sources)
“Cargo-200-08-01-2018.pdf”

Reports 4,424 actual Russian/CIS Army Dead by AUG 2018* in Eastern Ukraine <<
http://gruz200.zzz.com.ua/

Their efforts include multiple hard and digital sources —

“The names come out after a while,” Vasilieva explains. “For example, there is a call sign and the date of death. A few months later, a message comes: his name and surname are so and so, or ‘he’s from this Russian city.’ So, we add little by little, and then we have complete information.” (Elana Vasilyeva - Russian)

Difficult to Track —

“We kept count until mid-2015, and then stopped. It became awfully difficult to determine: Russian or separatist. They are without any documents, disguised. They often write “the deceased is from Horlivka / Makiivka”. You start to dig up, and he turns to be from Murmansk region, or Khabarovsk territory.” (Elana Vasilyeva)

“In many cases only one dead person from the unit was identified. However, it does not mean that the unit survived. Just information about only one person was posted on social media. We also had *problems with the search for information about deceased personnel from non-Russian speaking regions of Russia.

I know that very many people from Chechnya, Dagestan, Tatarstan and Bashkiria have died there. But such information is scarce, because *not all relatives of the dead military post in Russian “In loving memory” on social media. So, we lose a significant percentage of those killed in action (KIAs).” (Oksana Gorelova)

Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers

“There is no information on the number of deaths”

Secretary of the Union of Committees of Soldiers’ Mothers, Valentina Melnikova, noted that during the war in Chechnya relatives of Russian soldiers massively appealed to human rights activists.

However, in the situation with the aggression against Ukraine they do not appeal to them.

The reason for this can be found in the actions of the Russian authorities.

They are using the stick and the carrot method.

— The official death compensation payment is up to 5 million rubles (about $88,000 at the exchange rate). In addition, the FSB officers conduct “talks” with relatives to *prevent them from disseminating information about fatalities in Ukraine —

Russian researcher Kirill Mikhailov, from the Conflict Intelligence Team shares a similar opinion. This group researches military conflicts using open sources.

“Half of those killed in action on the DPR/LPR side are Russians – (Mikhailov)

https://uacrisis.org/en/56592-traceless-regiment-russian-military-losses-donbas

*******

(Western Sourced Pre 23 FEB 2022) Approximate Total UA Soldier / RUS Backed Fighters Dead 10,936*

NOT Counting DZ leak 2015, or RUS C-200 Tracker RUS Soldiers dead to or from 2015/2018 <<

“Clearly RUS is intentionally not disclosing additional uniformed and non-uniformed soldiers dead, as this would reveal degree of involvement and war detail, and allows for numbers to be “civilian” deaths”

*******

8 years of war in Eastern Ukraine -

Likely over 3,000 civilians killed from BOTH sides.

Over 1.5 million forced to flee from both Russian Offensive Line of Contact, of RUS backed Donetsk and Luhansk, as well as those forced to flee their homes and family farms from within Russian backed region.

https://euobserver.com/opinion/154416

*******

Other Sources for Civilian Deaths in Eastern Ukraine -

3,393* Civilians killed in Donbas Region, including 312 foreign (noncombat)

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 —

298 Civilians killed in flight by Russian missile

The shoot-down occurred during the 31 Miles from the official RUS/UA border, a.d 25 miles inside the area controlled by pro-Russian rebels.

The Boeing 777-200ER was Shot down by a Buk 9M83 surface-to-air missile transported from Russia on the day of the incident.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

*******

Source
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=Between%20306%20and%20313%20foreign,and%20interpreter%2C%20activist%20Andrei%20Mironov

CASUALTY COUNT (MILITARY AND CIVILIAN) IS DIVIDED —

Both non-revisionist history, as well as Putins speeches (with have included graphics) shows Russia has been seeking to destabilize in order to ultimately retake Ukraine, as part of “Novorossiya”.

My Russian isn’t the best, but I have listened to three speeches where Putin does reveal the objective. The first time I saw this language and mapping was from 1997, (while Putin was Yeltsin’s Kremlin handler) from a speech near Arbatskaya.


6 posted on 04/16/2022 5:26:12 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: Cronos

Dunno why a certain REM song is now stuck in my head...


7 posted on 04/16/2022 5:57:11 AM PDT by sauropod (So may we start? It's time to start. High time to start.)
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To: patriotfury

Please keep posting this in threads. People need to see this.


8 posted on 04/16/2022 5:58:24 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Cronos

Ans so the UA begins its march to Moscow ...


9 posted on 04/16/2022 5:59:42 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

Let’s be realistic. Ukrainians have done far better than anyone could have even hoped. But I don’t see them taking back Donbas, leave alone entering Russian territory


10 posted on 04/16/2022 8:32:18 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Donbas has endured eight years of Stalinist rape and occupation. What’s left there are largely Putinas and apolitical types. That’s a different landscape than in free Ukraine.

I don’t see how Germany can continue to buy Russian energy while Russia brazenly destroys and steals Ukrainian resources. There is going to be a huge internal battle in the EU over this.


11 posted on 04/16/2022 8:40:43 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: livius

Got that right, FRiend.


12 posted on 04/16/2022 8:52:20 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Cronos

It was a joke about the headline. Nothing more.


13 posted on 04/16/2022 9:06:07 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: lodi90

Donbas for the past 8 years has been occupied by Russian troops in the “people’s republic of Donetsk and luhansk “.

So you are saying the Russians are raping and occupying them


14 posted on 04/16/2022 9:32:52 AM PDT by Cronos
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