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Brooklyn subway shooting suspect was traced to firearm. Is it a case for Biden's ghost gun regulations (barf alert)
USAtoday via msn ^ | 15 apr 2022 | Kevin Johnson

Posted on 04/15/2022 11:44:57 AM PDT by rellimpank

Edited on 04/15/2022 12:17:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; ghostguns; rkba; usatoday
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To: rellimpank

I missed how Mr. James’ pistol having a serial number prevented the subway attack, can someone explain it to me ?


2 posted on 04/15/2022 11:51:08 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (This just proves my latest theory ... LEFTISTS RUIN EVERYTHING !!!)
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To: rellimpank

So the fact that a “ghost gun” wasn’t used in the crime confirms that ghost guns are the problem. Uh huh.


3 posted on 04/15/2022 11:56:03 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: rellimpank

When the perp is a black man, the media focus is ALWAYS on the gun. The MSM have totally ignored the racist motive for this shooting, something that would be front and center if the shooter had been a white racist.


4 posted on 04/15/2022 11:56:17 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: rellimpank

Someone violates the rights of others via aggressive acts of violence, and everyone else’s rights are open to being violated?


5 posted on 04/15/2022 12:01:48 PM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: rellimpank

restricting the right to keep and bear arms - making the world safe for free-range Democrats


6 posted on 04/15/2022 12:06:26 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: SecondAmendment
I missed how Mr. James’ pistol having a serial number prevented the subway attack, can someone explain it to me ?

Just in case the FIB missed the Subway Attacker's license, credit cards, and U-Haul keys he left at the scene, then tracing the serial number of the gun he left at the scene cracked this case wide open...

7 posted on 04/15/2022 12:07:49 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: rellimpank

Beware whenever the media asks itself a rhetorical question.


8 posted on 04/15/2022 12:09:32 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: rellimpank

How many people have been killed in Afghanistan by the hundreds of thousands of weapons and ammunition abandoned by this grimy, filthy, cretinous administration?

Wait till THOSE guns start showing up in the US


9 posted on 04/15/2022 12:12:08 PM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: Steve_Seattle

The leftist media, the current regime and the political left has been stoking this hatred of white people in the black community. They are all accomplices.


10 posted on 04/15/2022 12:27:32 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on mycreen name for my FR home page.)
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To: rellimpank

11 posted on 04/15/2022 12:30:31 PM PDT by dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vFiUUcBkc)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Exactly right. If the fault doesn’t lie with the gun, it’s that impetuous SUV. If we lose our Second Amendment rights, it will be due in no small part to the criminality of black men.


12 posted on 04/15/2022 12:43:38 PM PDT by Blurb2350 (posted from my 1500-watt blow dryer)
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There’s no national database of firearm ownership. Aren’t
most guns ghost guns?

Some states keep data, but I don’t believe they all do.


13 posted on 04/15/2022 1:00:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: DoughtyOne
“There’s no national database…”

Did the ATF &E tell you that?

14 posted on 04/15/2022 1:14:53 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Deaf Smith

Why don’t you rebut my comment if you have some to do it with?

It would save us both time.


15 posted on 04/15/2022 1:17:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"Why don’t you rebut my comment if you have some to do it with?"

Every newly manufactured firearm in about the last fifty years was required to be sold by an FFL (Federal Firearms Licensee).

If the authorities wish to identify the original buyer of such a firearm they contact the manufacturer who identifies the distributor. The distributor identifies the FFL who sold the firearm. Then the authorities contact the FFL who identifies the original purchaser.

In most states private sales are not recorded by the government. That is not true in states like California where ALL firearm transfers must go through an FFL.

If an FFL goes out of business, they are required to send their records of gun sales to the federal government.

The net result of all this infringement is that the government has access to all the information that would constitute a database of gun owners. As time passes the completeness of this database will only grow.

Note that the effectiveness of this database is completely reliant on having serial numbers on firearms. If this requirement disappeared I would never own a firearm with a serial number.

This is why the anti-gunners are practically out of their minds over the recent popularity of so-called "ghost guns"; that is, guns which have no serial number.

16 posted on 04/15/2022 1:31:11 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

There is something else we both might have missed. Perhaps
you can explain why it isn’t feasible.

Individuals have to have a background check, since back into
the 80s. Are we sure no weapon information was provided at
the time of background check.


17 posted on 04/15/2022 1:36:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: William Tell

BTW: Thanks for the detailed response.


18 posted on 04/15/2022 1:36:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: DoughtyOne
ALL firearms transfers from licensed dealers (FFL) are logged at POS.

Any dealer that closes shop must send the logbook to the ATF&E.

Same applies to the 4473s at the POS.

*The Clinton administration closed thousands of FFLs.

FBI background checks for POS have been saved though current law does not allow so.

The ATF&E is not on record as having ever destroyed any returned FFL logbook information nor 4473 information.

19 posted on 04/15/2022 1:44:52 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"Are we sure no weapon information was provided at the time of background check."

California requires that all firearm transfers be done through an FFL. The California DOJ requires the FFL to file paperwork that does identify the firearm. This filing begins the ten day waiting period legislated by California and allows time for California to conduct its own background check.

Thus, for California, the answer to your question is that we are sure that California does have information regarding the firearms for all transfers and keeps those records indefinitely. This was initially true for only handguns but I believe it now includes long guns as well.

I believe that most states do not maintain such records and that private sales between residents of such states are not recorded.

Purchase of new firearms in such states must go through an FFL. The FFLs are required to use the NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System). My understanding is that this involves use of a telephone at the FFL to provide identifying information on the purchaser but that no information about the firearm is provided. The typical response time is a few minutes, I think, and the FFL is allowed to transfer the firearm if there is no response for several days (two ?).

20 posted on 04/15/2022 2:12:59 PM PDT by William Tell
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