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Ukraine Marine unit in Mariupol: 'Gradually we are coming to an end'
Fox News ^ | April 12, 2022 | Greg Norman

Posted on 04/12/2022 6:13:25 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: T.B. Yoits

That attitude is ridiculously parochial.


81 posted on 04/12/2022 10:22:35 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Williams

I agree. It’s one thing to say “I don’t support American troops getting killed” and another, what the putinistas are doing of supporting Putin’s aggression.

Some freepers even said they want American and allied troops impaled by Putin’s army


82 posted on 04/12/2022 10:23:00 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: struggle

The USA didn’t overthrow the Ukrainian government.

Don’t repeat Putin’s prop.

Yanukovych was impeached. He fled to Russia.


83 posted on 04/12/2022 10:24:09 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: MinorityRepublican

“NATO should be replaced by EU”

NATO is a defensive military alliance.

The EU is an economic and partially political confederation.

Completely different.

Furthermore, many freepers were aghast at the idea of an EU army,and it was and is just an idea. And you are pro eu army??!?


84 posted on 04/12/2022 10:26:14 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: struggle

What putinist rot you talking about, Azov army ??

Azov is a tiny number of people.

Less than 1% of their military, and less than 2% of the population voting for candidates of that nature.

in the Ukrainian Parliament, the Ukrainian Rada, these parties did not pass the 5% barrier in the last elections. The Russian imperialists and the Russian aggressor call every Ukrainian a “Nazi” who loves his native language, the history of his people, who loves Ukraine and wants Ukraine to be free. In the eyes of the Russian imperial, a “Nazi” is every person who wants to live in his own separate state, his home, on the land of his ancestors and who does not suffer from the imperialism that Russian imperials suffer from. In the eyes of the Russian imperial, even a Russian-speaking Ukrainian who wants to live in a free democratic Ukraine is a “Nazi” only because he does not want to be in Russian slavery, in a Russian barn and on a Russian chain.

Considering Russia has presented absolutely no credible evidence to back up those claims, it’s fairly obvious that they’re fabricated. This is further reinforced by the fact that the Kremlin kept changing their minds on their reasons for attacking Ukraine as time went on: they were supporting the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk, then they were taking on the Nazis, then they were rescuing Russian ‘hostages’…the list went on, and was getting considerably less believable with each lie.

Ukraine’s own resistance to Russia rather demonstrates the absence of any Fascists or Nazis present in the country: if Ukraine’s government were fascist in nature, they’d be siding with the Russians, not fighting against them. Such individuals want an authoritarian government of the sort that Putin would install - and, let’s be honest, he’s pretty Fascist in nature himself, so it’s doubtful he’d see modern Nazis as anything other than allies. Let’s not forget that he’s aligned himself with certain American individuals and groups that are similarly-oriented.

At the end of the day, Vladimir Putin simply wishes to restore the power, prestige and territorial holdings of the former USSR, imagining that doing so would place him on a pedestal next to Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin: influential leaders who turned an agrarian nation into a global superpower. Invading and annexing Ukraine was simply the next thing on his tick list, and with certain parties in the US having significantly undermined the NATO alliance, he felt now would be the best time to do so, not anticipating the level of resistance and sanctions that have been the response of the rest of the world.

It’s got nothing to do with Nazis, and never did. That was merely an excuse, and not one that anyone outside particularly indoctrinated circles would be likely to buy into.


85 posted on 04/12/2022 10:27:37 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Mariner

Once again you claim that “20 other” countries got attacked and people supporting Ukraine didn’t care about them.

1 How the hell would you know whether people cared about other countries being attacked or not? You don’t.

2. Why should I not care about human lives and freedom in one country because 20 other countries also suffered attacks?

3. You don’t know anything about realpolitik, but you reflect the ghoulish and soulless attitude of many on hate who talk about himan lives as if you’re discussing insects.

Some of us realize that when you’re in your home and some group shows up to destroy it and maybe kill you, that’s evil and there is no excuse for it.

Not even some misguided view of “realpolitik”.


86 posted on 04/12/2022 10:27:54 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Cronos

Exactly. Thank you.


87 posted on 04/12/2022 10:29:02 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: BobL

But you are calling ALL who support Ukraine “groomers”.
Therefore you include in this Trump et al.

Add to that every Right Wing Euro party and media organization.


88 posted on 04/12/2022 10:29:28 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Prince of Space

What rot.

Mariupol was and is 90% Russian speaking.

And these Russian speakers fought Putin’s army.

Azov are 900 soldiers.

Thanks to Putin, more Russian speakers feel Ukrainian


89 posted on 04/12/2022 10:31:55 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

These people who think Putin wants to eliminate “Nazi” regimes. What kind of regimes do they think Putin installed in Belarus and Chechnya?


90 posted on 04/12/2022 10:32:21 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams
I think though what you fail to see is Ukrainians are accustomed to conflicts in their country. One gal said “we'll just rebuild again like we always do”. And that is a difference between Ukraine and other countries. If Ukraines not fighting it's government it's fighting between Oligarchs, or over their borders, or the East from the West, or nationality differences. Then they're in the streets marching all over again until some other country comes in to try and break things up. And it's not always Russia as many think. It's often us against the European nations who all want dibs on Ukraine.

Nothings changed - it's still this...


91 posted on 04/12/2022 10:41:53 PM PDT by caww ( )
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To: MinorityRepublican

Defending my ass


92 posted on 04/12/2022 10:44:41 PM PDT by wardaddy (Faulkner never knew Free Republic but he coined its nickname...The Sound and The Fury)
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To: bakeneko; Travis McGee; Pelham

Oh no can’t say the truth

Or Uke elements butchering civilians trying to flee

Nope don’t mention that shit nosiree

The damn Ukes are regular Francis Marions

Fly in ointment ....Russian separatists appear to not be obeying Russian overlords

They want all Azov and their ilk....dead ...after 8 years of enduring their crap we don’t publish... crickets

And the Seps shot down those Uke choppers granted safe corridor last week by the Russians

It’s a mess and people dying now...note I say now...cause we...the USA not France and Germany are propping up a corpse of a power in Kiev

And Russia has resisted destroying the place like they did Grozny which they Dresdened

Putin can wait this out even as he loses the stupid PR game idiots here call fog of war.....fog of war is not monolithic western agit prop....fog of war is not knowing how your armies are doing or where the other guy is....originally from the fog or smoke or weather

This is just an effing barrage of lies to suport s narrative globalists and never busted a grape neocons chickenhawks and misguided cold warrior 2.0 who think Pootie is Stalin nonsense and Russia is still communist ..so damn stupid ..

Yes it is a damn shame dying for a foregone conclusion and innocents are daily

Like my kin and battle of Franklin...not far from where I am typing on my iPad....10,000 total casualties in four hours .....that’s not hyperbole ...that’s real war ..the South had already lost the year before ...

This needs to end and Pootie gets what he wants ...sorry...he doesn’t want Europe cold warriors 2.0

He wants just what he said he does...a neutralized vassal Ukraine and the east....maybe Odessa too now

But hey the godless anti Christian forces running western media and most governments and neocons and progressives have mental orgasms watching white Christians die fighting each other

See Bosnia, Belgrade and Kosovo....they love it...hell its a twofer...or threefer

Only person thhey hate more than Putin is Donald Trump


93 posted on 04/12/2022 11:02:53 PM PDT by wardaddy (Faulkner never knew Free Republic but he coined its nickname...The Sound and The Fury)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Ukraine drones with napalm , against the Rooskie convoys


94 posted on 04/12/2022 11:56:12 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: buwaya

“But you are calling ALL who support Ukraine “groomers”.”

Read again, William - I am calling all who Groom as supporting Ukraine - BIG DIFFERENCE.


95 posted on 04/13/2022 12:59:09 AM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to groom my children, but anti-Putin people are)
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To: TexasGator

Years of raping and killing in the east. Cutting off water to Crimea, and being puppet government for the west. It’s very complex, but that’s for starters.


96 posted on 04/13/2022 3:17:09 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Cronos

Know anything of what has been going on there for the last almost 10 years?


97 posted on 04/13/2022 3:18:05 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: buwaya
That attitude is ridiculously parochial.

Versus globalist.

98 posted on 04/13/2022 3:44:35 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Cronos

>Yanukovych was impeached. He fled to Russia.

He was impeached after the country had almost plunged into civil war. He fled before impeachment.


99 posted on 04/13/2022 3:51:44 AM PDT by struggle
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FreshPrince you seeing this? You’ve been strangely silent these last few days.


100 posted on 04/13/2022 3:53:35 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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