Posted on 04/12/2022 3:39:03 AM PDT by Kaslin
There can be little doubt that former Vice President Mike Pence thought he was doing the right thing. There are certainly many pragmatic reasons for his decision to not intervene in the electoral processes during those fateful days in January 2020. We’re a year and a half into the geriatric Biden regime and those pragmatic reasons are quickly losing their luster.
The nation is suffering—not from the constitutional crisis feared by the establishment but a systemic, methodical, sadistic infliction of pain and loss resulting from disasters of policy that are breathtaking in scope and frequency. It's almost as if Biden and his administration hate Americans, our Constitution, and want to extract a pound of flesh from anyone they think supported President Trump.
The list of horribles is almost too extensive to believe: thirteen dead servicemen and women resulting from the botched retreat from Afghanistan, with thousands more left behind to suffer the predations of a stone age tribe—billions in weapons and machinery left to be co-opted by the oppressive Taliban. A war in Ukraine ignited by Biden’s insipid, bungling foreign policy, his disaster in Afghanistan, and his failure to act unequivocally in the face of Russian aggression. Soaring energy prices. A dismantling of the southern border and an invasion of illegal aliens by the millions. A flood of fentanyl, pouring through a porous border, that’s slaughtering vulnerable Americans wholesale—a product of communist China. Unbridled inflation. An impending food shortage. Bloated gas prices. Critical race theory in public schools—indoctrinating our children with the dogma of inherent racism. The injection of transgender theory and the normalization of pedophilia and grooming by liberal “educators.” Hunter’s laptop filled with child pornography, and evidence of a real Chinese influence campaign involving his father. The political persecution and imprisonment of January sixth protestors. And, COVID mandates that criminalize conscience.
A clear, common sense reading of the 12th Amendment and Article two of the Constitution imply a power given to the “President of the Senate,” or Vice President, to make a determination as to counting the submitted certificates from the states. Many argue that use of the passive voice implies more than just a ceremonial function. It is plausible, from the text, to draw the conclusion that the Vice President may determine which certificates to count. Otherwise, he’d serve no logical function when determining an electoral college tie. The Vice President is clearly more than just a bean counter. This implied power resides solely with the Vice President, not Congress.
The Supreme Court has not issued an opinion on this matter, and refused to do so during the 2020 election cycle. In fact, no lawsuit concerning these 12th Amendment issues brought before a federal court was ever litigated on the merits. Laches—a legal term meaning you’ve brought your suit too late—or standing—a legal term meaning the plaintiff has not and will not suffer any demonstrable harm—were used to dismiss 12th Amendment suits. The dismissals on procedural grounds strongly suggest a judicial reticence to address substantive matters of law for reasons that can only be speculated about. However, a massive intimidation campaign was being waged by the legacy media, the tech oligarchy, and by Democrat party operatives. It’s not difficult to imagine how judges might prefer to punt rather than do the hard work and swim upstream against the onslaught of activist outrage.
The Kenyanesian Usurpation and the Big Steal both required the cooperation of the GOP.
BOTH parties did this to us.
LOL. The “but there were duplicate slates of electors” canard.
That’s so breathtakingly ignorant of what did happen, you just need to laugh it off.
Heck, you have FReepers saying that President Trump is still the President or that devolution is a legitimate concept that will return President Trump to office. It’s that sort of grasping-at-straws attitude that makes some FReepers look like kooks.
This is ridiculous. The only reference in Article 2 and/or Amendment 12 to the President of the Senate is:
“... transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;...”
It is worded exactly the same in both. The purpose of 12A is to change A2 - which made the #2 candidate the VP. This became an obvious problem when Jefferson was VP to Adams.
There is no “implied power” whatsoever. One cannot argue there is an “implied power” here and then disagree with the libholes “living document” nonsense that lets them argue the Constitution means whatever they want it to mean.
Appreciate your Post above, thanks.
For what it is worth, there is no way that Pence was ever going to assert his Constitutional clout. Pence saw his entire role as VP in a purely ceremonial fashion (most do) and it was quite evident that he would never stand out.
This was recognized about him years before the 2020 events. Incidentally, word is that Pence was absolutely despised by many including his security detail.
I think the states erred in not sending conflicting electors. For Pence where he sat there was no discrepancy because the states sent only one set of electors. The states had time to perform audits in 2 months and the republicans in the battleground did nothing except a few lawsuits. Audits in PA show more than 400K mail in votes than the SURE system mail in voters. Enough to either reduce the overall count by 400K from each of the counties affected. Delaware, Philly, Montco, and i think Lackawanna. And in PA Toomey did nothing and insist everything was fine. In all there was not anything tangible by was of a discrepancy presented to Pence from anyone.
I agree but the republican senators did not want anything to happen and the states that had issued did not present anything to congress to show that there were problems with their elections. Some of the court cases could have been sent in the form of a petition to congress. The states and republicans didn’t help at all. Toomey still thinks everything is fine. What a dope.
Stop repeating your bullsh*t. We *DO NOT* agree with you and you are ignoring the evidence that we are correct on this point.
You have *NO EVIDENCE* to support your claim and we do, so stop trying to convince us with bullsh*t.
The President of the Senate can refuse to accept certifications that are clearly fraudulent.
This appears to be what you believe, so I find it odd that you don't understand how anyone can believe it.
No, it's not "ceremonial." It is a proper usage of the powers given to the President of the Senate to exercise discretion in the acceptance of clearly fraudulent votes.
The stench of a dead horse is heavy in this thread.
None of them did that.
THE END.
See Post #50. I can’t help you if your delusions have clouded your judgement and driven you to engage in hysteria.
After 2016 the left knew they could never trust an election ever again. They had to test a total steal rooted in chaos and judicial corruption.
you are not ‘breaking’ anything to me.
I mostly agree
The Election Day process Does mean something
If multiple slates of electors are presented
First he betrayed General Flynn and then he finished his career with betraying The President of the United States of America and We the people. There is nothing more to say.🙏🇺🇸
Can't say it often enough.
Nice job.
The Supreme Court decides cases, they do not "issue opinions".
False.
he changed procedures to IGNORE duplicate sets of electors!!!
There were no duplicate sets of Electors.
I have been saying since January 6th, that Mike Pence had a constitutionally legal remedy for countering the election fraud, and that was for him to resign prior to receiving the electoral receipts.
He should have tendered his resignation on or before Jan. 6th, and slept in his own bed in Indiana, the night of Jan. 6th, letting the process uncoil however it played out.
That's funny, since no GOP Legislatures met between 11/3 and 12/14, and in fact several specifically refused to do so.
There were no second sets of Electors.
You responded to the wrong guy, not my comment.
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