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Thank Pence for Biden's Trainwreck
Townhall.com ^ | April 12, 2022 | John Nance

Posted on 04/12/2022 3:39:03 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Clutch Martin

The Kenyanesian Usurpation and the Big Steal both required the cooperation of the GOP.

BOTH parties did this to us.


41 posted on 04/12/2022 6:14:28 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Alberta's Child
Good lord … please stop the hysterics. Can you provide any evidence that “duplicate sets of electors” were ever certified and sent to Congress

LOL. The “but there were duplicate slates of electors” canard.

That’s so breathtakingly ignorant of what did happen, you just need to laugh it off.

Heck, you have FReepers saying that President Trump is still the President or that devolution is a legitimate concept that will return President Trump to office. It’s that sort of grasping-at-straws attitude that makes some FReepers look like kooks.

42 posted on 04/12/2022 6:19:28 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Kaslin

This is ridiculous. The only reference in Article 2 and/or Amendment 12 to the President of the Senate is:

“... transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;...”

It is worded exactly the same in both. The purpose of 12A is to change A2 - which made the #2 candidate the VP. This became an obvious problem when Jefferson was VP to Adams.

There is no “implied power” whatsoever. One cannot argue there is an “implied power” here and then disagree with the libholes “living document” nonsense that lets them argue the Constitution means whatever they want it to mean.


43 posted on 04/12/2022 6:19:49 AM PDT by wny ( )
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To: Political Junkie Too

Appreciate your Post above, thanks.

For what it is worth, there is no way that Pence was ever going to assert his Constitutional clout. Pence saw his entire role as VP in a purely ceremonial fashion (most do) and it was quite evident that he would never stand out.

This was recognized about him years before the 2020 events. Incidentally, word is that Pence was absolutely despised by many including his security detail.


44 posted on 04/12/2022 6:30:00 AM PDT by Radix (Radical X)
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To: Kaslin

I think the states erred in not sending conflicting electors. For Pence where he sat there was no discrepancy because the states sent only one set of electors. The states had time to perform audits in 2 months and the republicans in the battleground did nothing except a few lawsuits. Audits in PA show more than 400K mail in votes than the SURE system mail in voters. Enough to either reduce the overall count by 400K from each of the counties affected. Delaware, Philly, Montco, and i think Lackawanna. And in PA Toomey did nothing and insist everything was fine. In all there was not anything tangible by was of a discrepancy presented to Pence from anyone.


45 posted on 04/12/2022 6:35:10 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: Political Junkie Too

I agree but the republican senators did not want anything to happen and the states that had issued did not present anything to congress to show that there were problems with their elections. Some of the court cases could have been sent in the form of a petition to congress. The states and republicans didn’t help at all. Toomey still thinks everything is fine. What a dope.


46 posted on 04/12/2022 6:39:46 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: Alberta's Child
There is no interpretation of any document related to the governance of a civilized society that gives one man the unilateral power to accept or reject the results of a clearly documented election process.

Stop repeating your bullsh*t. We *DO NOT* agree with you and you are ignoring the evidence that we are correct on this point.

You have *NO EVIDENCE* to support your claim and we do, so stop trying to convince us with bullsh*t.

The President of the Senate can refuse to accept certifications that are clearly fraudulent.

47 posted on 04/12/2022 6:40:26 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Alberta's Child
I don’t know why anyone would think the 12th Amendment process for counting electoral votes is merely “ceremonial.” The text of the amendment very clearly describes a process that is more than ceremonial.

This appears to be what you believe, so I find it odd that you don't understand how anyone can believe it.

No, it's not "ceremonial." It is a proper usage of the powers given to the President of the Senate to exercise discretion in the acceptance of clearly fraudulent votes.

48 posted on 04/12/2022 6:44:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Kaslin

The stench of a dead horse is heavy in this thread.


49 posted on 04/12/2022 6:47:40 AM PDT by Pirate Ragnar (Hope coming from Florida)
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To: aumrl
I hate to break this to you, but under the Constitution the Election Day process means nothing in a presidential election. What matters is the certification of electoral votes by each state that took place in mid-December 2020. There was never any doubt about that. That’s why the details in Post #7 would have been so relevant. In order to “fix” the Election Day problems in 2020, all it would have taken was for a state legislature to convene and certify a different set of electors.

None of them did that.

THE END.

50 posted on 04/12/2022 6:53:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

See Post #50. I can’t help you if your delusions have clouded your judgement and driven you to engage in hysteria.


51 posted on 04/12/2022 7:00:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: hardspunned

After 2016 the left knew they could never trust an election ever again. They had to test a total steal rooted in chaos and judicial corruption.


52 posted on 04/12/2022 7:10:09 AM PDT by cnsmom
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To: Alberta's Child

you are not ‘breaking’ anything to me.
I mostly agree
The Election Day process Does mean something
If multiple slates of electors are presented


53 posted on 04/12/2022 7:24:27 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives )
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To: Cen-Tejas

First he betrayed General Flynn and then he finished his career with betraying The President of the United States of America and We the people. There is nothing more to say.🙏🇺🇸


54 posted on 04/12/2022 7:33:21 AM PDT by victim soul (victim soul)
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To: Alberta's Child
In order to “fix” the Election Day problems in 2020, all it would have taken was for a state legislature to convene and certify a different set of electors... None of them did that... THE END.

Can't say it often enough.

Nice job.

55 posted on 04/12/2022 7:35:50 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Who saves the nation breaks no law)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
The Supreme Court has not issued an opinion on this matter, and refused to do so during the 2020 election cycle

The Supreme Court decides cases, they do not "issue opinions".

56 posted on 04/12/2022 7:36:54 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Who saves the nation breaks no law)
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To: Safrguns
HE CERTIFIED AN OBVIOUSLY FRAUDULENT ELECTION

False.

he changed procedures to IGNORE duplicate sets of electors!!!

There were no duplicate sets of Electors.

57 posted on 04/12/2022 7:40:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Who saves the nation breaks no law)
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To: central_va; All
BINGO!

I have been saying since January 6th, that Mike Pence had a constitutionally legal remedy for countering the election fraud, and that was for him to resign prior to receiving the electoral receipts.

He should have tendered his resignation on or before Jan. 6th, and slept in his own bed in Indiana, the night of Jan. 6th, letting the process uncoil however it played out.

58 posted on 04/12/2022 7:45:54 AM PDT by freepersup (“Those who conceal crimes are preparing to commit new ones.” ~Vuk Draskovic~)
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To: Safrguns
Pence KNEW there was a 2nd set of electors for at least one of the states in question

That's funny, since no GOP Legislatures met between 11/3 and 12/14, and in fact several specifically refused to do so.

There were no second sets of Electors.

59 posted on 04/12/2022 7:47:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Who saves the nation breaks no law)
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To: Jim Noble

You responded to the wrong guy, not my comment.


60 posted on 04/12/2022 7:48:31 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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