Posted on 04/04/2022 10:31:24 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Who, What, When, Where, Why and How?
Would it be too much to ask of a reported to find out WHO is stopping them and why? Is it Azov nazi SS refusing to allow them in because they will speak to citizens of that area in terror of them?
Is it Russians who will not allow any corridor to open through their lines surrounding Maripol?
Did the train tickets cost too much?
All we know is that “they can’t get there”.
From the article it sounds like the Red Cross wants to open a corridor to the west through Russian lines. It’s doubtful the Russians would want that because it would become an Azov escape/supply route.
The Russians have repeatedly been giving access to a corridor leading out into Russia, and then letting people proceed to their destination.
The Ukes want to relieve the siege of the Azov positions, but I think the Russians want to capture and kill all of that surrounded SS force.
Typical eastern front battlefield. General Paulus is surrounded.
Why cant the Red Cross find children to traffic somewhere else?
I was afraid to say. Some freepers like to attack if you share information. Other long time freepers have told me they no longer want to post.
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Dear International Committee of the Red Cross we just received your press release on your so called “efforts” to facilitate the safe passage of civilians out of #mariupol.
Let me break it down for you why it’s a total BS
1. You say: ‘The ICRC team, which consists of three vehicles and nine personnel, did not reach Mariupol or facilitate the safe passage of civilians today’
Reality:
✅ Humanitarian convoy consisting of some 40 busses left Mariupol yesterday (so not really sure, why you wanted to go to Mariupol today)
✅ As of 6 p.m. on April 1st, the buses with people were stuck at the last russian checkpoint - some 50 km south of Zaporizhya; russians were not letting them through
✅ At the same time ICRC vehicles were seen inside peaceful Zaporizhya driving around
✅ Local volunteers ACTUALLY facilitating the safe passage of civilians from Mariupol and having their reps INSIDE these busses reported that at no point ICRC was present anywhere NEAR the humanitarian convoy
2. You say: For the operation to succeed, it is critical that the parties respect the agreements and provide the necessary conditions and security guarantees
Reality:
✅ We drove to the last Ukrainian checkpoint on the route that evacuees were supposed to take on their way to Zaporizhya and did not evidence any fighting, shelling or other hostilities
✅ We also did not evidence any ICRC presence trying to “facilitate” the safe passage of civilians from Mariupol, which at that point were some 15 km away
3. You say: If and when the safe passage operation does happen, the ICRC’s role as a neutral intermediary would be to accompany the convoy out from Mariupol to another city in Ukraine
Reality:
✅ let me remind you again: the convoy has left Mariupol already; if your “efforts” were genuine, you’d be in touch with volunteers on the ground and you’d have known where the convoy is currently located
4. You say: The parties to the conflict would also need to fulfill the agreements reached to allow for this operation to happen.
Reality:
✅ This is a war, not a conflict
✅ Even the UN calls this a russian Offensive in Ukraine
(https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1113152?fbclid=IwAR0d6PDWnJNUNpaXi4S1SZmfLvtQwlj_xKq9ay5gzR4OrUnGQnrzVcSA1L0)
It’s been a problem because of the obvious reasons often over looked - there are targeted areas and you don’t want people on the streets during these times - further Mariupol has been a bastion of fierce fire fighting from the get go. It’s been a base for Azrov and other dangerous and violent sadistic members for years. ..and they will and do use human shields.
We also know many buildings were blown up by AZOV and not bombed by Russia....That has been reported from people who escaped.
From Monday to Saturday==waiting???
Now much of a serious rescue, IMO.
“Prayer for Ukraine” (Молитва за Україну) - The United States Air Force Band and Singing Sergeants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glL_mWmzXoM
Isn’t the Red Cross the organization that shows up at disasters and then offers blankets and water and other items for sale?
Richard Cline wrote saying “I was trying to send humanitarian help to Ukraine-Bucha,to be particular,I spoke with my Ukrainian friends and I was told not to send baby formula to Bucha-no kids left there,all killed.
Will Red Cross help in this situation-do not think so. Did they help before it happened-not too much. In my opinion they are useless. I can invite you to Ukraine-my friends and family are here now.You can talk to people,look in their eyes,see what happened to them.”
Propaganda is harder to do than most people think.
Yes. You can google American Red Cross, International Committee of Red Cross & read about red cross scandals. It is a long history!
one web page: https://learnbeforeyoudonate.weebly.com/red-cross-scandals.html
“I was afraid to say. Some freepers like to attack if you share information. Other long time freepers have told me they no longer want to post.”
They shouldn’t back off and cede the site to the neocon propaganda shills. Attacks are only words. Words don’t hurt. Especially the words of paid PR trolls.
More Mariupol:
503 battalion of Ukraine Marines surrendered in Mariupol today, in organized fashion, 267 survivors in total. Their commander was KIA.
This is not Azov, but this is supposed to be elite troops with motto “never surrender”.
a couple of photos at link, there is also a video on the internet.
Russian forces had “purposely and cynically destroyed the Drama Theater in the heart of Mariupol.”
The theater served as an anti-aircraft shelter for more than 1,000 people and has resisted the attack. Additionally, the word “Children” was mentioned outside the theater to protect the space and integrity of the Ukrainians. However, the attack happened anyway.
Gennadiy Mokhnenko
“We were able to pull another batch of people out of the besieged Mariupol. Old women with frostbitten legs, a teenage girl with a shrapnel wound, women who survived the Russian Hell under the Kremlin air bombs...
Thanks to everyone who supports the work of our chaplaincy and volunteer team. On a daily basis, we serve on the front line”
Check those reports... may be flawed:
IN MARIPOL, RUSSIANS SHOT THE DAUGHTER OF PASTOR GENNADY MOKHNENKO FROM A TANK
On March 13, in Mariupol, as a result of shelling by the occupier, the daughter of the pastor of the Church of Good Changes and the founder of the largest in Europe Children’s Center ” Republic Pilgrims”Gennady Mokhnenko, was killed. He spoke about this:
“Putin’s scum killed my daughter in Mariupol. Rescuing us from the “evil Bandera” and “returning to the bosom of the Slavic peoples and the Russian world,” they fired from a tank into the apartment recently received by Vika, a former orphan,” the pastor said. – As Putin says – “as part of the operation of” demilitarization “and” denazification “… To the apartment of an orphan, my 27th adopted daughter, from a tank… As part of” demilitarization “… Do you hear it all, Russians?
All of you who are “out of politics”, who believed for eight years in “They are not there?” You hear??? Nonhumans, do you hear??? To an orphan’s apartment from a tank… “demilitarization”…
However, they will tell you on TV that this, like the aerial bombs that are raining down on Mariupol right now, is just a Ukrainian fake.
This, of course, is all “the Azov regiment is doing in my city.” And “my daughter” is not an orphan, but a dummy fashion model… “These are all insidious provocations of the West, NATO and the CIA… And your tanks naturally “save” us and our children.”
Inhumans.
Heaven will present you with a bill… For lies, for silence, for cowardice and stupid eight years of agreeing to be deceived by propaganda. For non-resistance to usurpers and Chekist maniacs who seized your country…
However, you are already paying in thousands of your sons-occupiers, whose bodies are rotting in the fields of Ukraine… And I asked you, begged you, exhorted you… What are you doing?
Now I am not very able to reflect… Like many fathers, mothers at such a moment…
Forgive me, Daughter, that I could not protect you. I really tried.”
Human shields.
Frankly I don’t have an interest in peoples personal interest stories - they all have them.. So it’s enough for me to recognize suffering, death and violence happens in every war and this one is without exception. .....
However certain wars tend to have more fighters i fighting than the parties involved such as foreign fighters internationally Zelensky invited to his conflict. ...and they have no regard for humans nor accountability to anyone...they will always leave a war zone for their home country or the next war they want a paycheck from.
Further if you are in a hot war zone the chances are you’re going to get shot...even if undercover. Thus why close to 5 million have left the country.
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