Posted on 03/09/2022 4:59:00 AM PST by Morpheus2009
Will a mass transition to electric vehicles (EVs) cause the electric power grid to collapse? Some argue that EVs will make the grid unstable, which could mean hefty investments to upgrade existing infrastructures in order to withstand the electricity uptake
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Math is only for the deniers. The Green New Deal relies on faith.
Exactly.
Pls see 79.
It strains credibility to think that adding EVs will have no effect. In the summer, when everyone is cranking up their AC, we get warnings, and sometimes power failures. EVs are less than 2% of the cars on the road. Push that number up to 40% and tell me there is no drain on the grid?
Do I get unicorns with my charging station?
Don’t hate them, I’m just stuck wondering why the EVs at the dealership were more expensive than the gas ones years ago. I mean the bulk of the cost has to be in the battery right?
Very little utility-scale electricity generation is done by oil...virtually all is from natural gas or coal. Oil is almost all used for transportation fuels and petrochemicals. DOH!
See 79.
OHM’S LAW and KIRCHOFF’S LAW WILL NOT BE REPEALED......................
Let’s force their “Green” policies on Washington, DC and the entire federal government as a Beta test for the next three years so they can prove their ideas really work.
Electric cars won’t over load the power grid but running air conditioning during a heatwave does.
Elon Musk Says EVs Will Double World’s Need for Electricity
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2020/12/elon-musk-says-evs-will-double-worlds-need-for-electricity/
https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0222/ML022260337.pdf
http://web.mit.edu/pebble-bed/
https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/x-energy-developing-pebble-bed-reactor-they-say-cant-melt-down
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble-bed_reactor
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/pebble-bed-reactors
A PBR could be outside every home like an Central HVAC unit. Safe and no grid...................
“McKinsey does not do objective analyses of anything. It’s a propagandist company that gets hired to push the agendas of its clients.”
Thanks for you comments on McKinsey - after reading it I looked up some info on them, and they seem like what you’d get if you had a company inspired by a combination of Gordon Gekko and L. Ron Hubbard - I could see them being house pets for Klaus Schwab or George Soros.
“Don’t hate them, I’m just stuck wondering why the EVs at the dealership were more expensive than the gas ones years ago. I mean the bulk of the cost has to be in the battery right?”
No... The key is real, genuine mass production. The way Toyota does with Corollas. EVs are inherently cheaper to make, even including the battery cost.
A 135 horsepower electric motor is less expensive than a 135 horsepower internal combustion engine when you make a million of each. If this is not true today then it will be true in a few years.
“An EV battery can be used to store renewable energy during the day when production is typically high. In the evening, when consumption peaks, the energy can be discharged to relieve pressure on the market. “
Pressure on the market? Why would there be pressure if the “renewable energy” is so dependable? When the grid fails your car is used to backfill the demand, unless you disconnect your car. But who would do that?
How does it work out for EVs when they are stranded on highways during blizzards, and the heating function eats up the battery? It sucks.
Now, imagine all 100 or more stuck cards are EVs, and their passengers can’t share the heat inside the ICE cars around them, as happened this winter in Virginia on I-95.
Or imagine gridlock of mostly EVs during a hurricane evacuation etc, when they run out en masse and can’t be recharged. ICE cars can be rapidly refueled from Jerry cans.
Yes and no. Don't get me wrong. I'm of the opinion much as you are that pushing everyone into EV's is a major concern with the demand of a grid that's already failing in 3rd world countries like California. I'm saying the peak time thing might not be correct.
The reason for that is there's usually no reason the EV has to be charged every day. I'm thinking of getting an EV largely because I have a large solar system on my house. One of my concerns is that the battery storage I already bought and installed was intended to power my home through the night on most nights (not all nights, that'd be infeasible), not more than that. Thus, charging the EV when I come home about the time the sun goes down would drain my home batteries more than I originally intended (what you seem to describe, though you're talking about it from the grid utility company).
Then I thought about it further. I usually drive 200 miles per week, about 35 mile round trip on work days and a little here and there the rest of the week for various errands, sometimes in the evenings and sometimes on the weekends. If my EV gets 250 to 300 miles on a full charge, that means I wouldn't have to charge it every day. If I fully charge it on the weekend (off peak hours if you don't have solar on your home) I could pick a day in the middle of the week to charge it again to give me a little wiggle room to not be near empty on Friday.
Combine that with a feature my solar inverter has: the option to power a separate electrical panel only when I have excess power, say when my home batteries are 80% charged or more (enough to power my house through the night without pulling power from the grid). Then any charge above that 80% is excess power I can use to do things like charge the EV. If I come home with my EV and have, say at least "half a tank" charge, I can charge it with the intermittent powered outlet (meaning it won't add to my power bill, but would be charged only for a little while that evening until my home batteries discharge down to 80% charged). If I come home with less than half a tank I can charge it with the constant powered outlet (knowing some or all would come from the grid). By doing that regularly, I believe I could power my EV about 50% of the time with nothing but excess power that doesn't result in me pulling power from the grid (will increase my power bill only half as much as someone else charging his EV).
Of course, that's ME handling MY power to fit MY needs, not the situation of the grid utility powering everybody's EV's. But they could do something similar. They could have two lines coming to your house: one that's powered constantly and one that's powered intermittently. And they could charge a lower rate for the intermittent power (it'd be powered only when the sun is shining bright and/or the utility's battery storage or hydrogen storage is high).
Don't get me wrong. I hate the Dims pushing everybody into EV's and trying make all square pegs fit into round holes. I'm just wanting people on our side to argue the facts correctly. IMHO, the peak time issue is easily worked around in a mostly workable solution.
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Why do electric companies spend so much money on systems to mitigate electric vehicles and other green energy?
Why did we have to invest in smart grids? Why do companies need to be able to control your heater?
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