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Israel said to believe Ukraine now faces critical choice: capitulation or calamity
Times Of Israel ^ | 3/9/2022 | TOI Staff

Posted on 03/08/2022 4:54:44 PM PST by Nextrush

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To: jimwatx

That’s the ideal situation.


21 posted on 03/08/2022 5:09:36 PM PST by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Russia is a tyranny. It is not just Putin. If Putin died today Russia will still be a tyranny tomorrow. Russia imprisons nations. It is what they do.

Ukraine has had very few opportunities in its history to be free. It is currently in one of them.


22 posted on 03/08/2022 5:13:20 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: Gen.Blather

If Russia would accept it, they’d be wise to surrender the two states Russia wants in the East, and recognize Russian Crimea.
Doubt that path is open to them anymore.
Nevermind the details Russia would want in any agreement.
The resultant Ukraine would be sustainable.

But, again, I doubt that path is open anymore. Militarily Russia is in a position to demand MUCH more now.
(Though a breakthrough by Ukraine forces is possible.)


23 posted on 03/08/2022 5:13:39 PM PST by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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You can say the same about Russia.

It has a choice; capitulation or calamity.


24 posted on 03/08/2022 5:14:17 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: Don Corleone

Well yea..it is becoming obvious they are working together..
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25 posted on 03/08/2022 5:15:36 PM PST by aces (and )
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To: nickcarraway

“How long will Putin fight for his globalist masters?”

As long as China tells him to!

China’s making out like a bandit on this, buying Russia’s energy assets for pennies on the dollar while the cost of fuel in the West skyrockets.


26 posted on 03/08/2022 5:17:34 PM PST by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: Nextrush

Ukraine is just another failed state, a cobbled-together European country either by collapse of some nations, or by force of others, that has come and gone over the last 100+ years - Austria-Hungary, The Free City of Danzig, Yugoslavia, Czechoslavakia, Saarland, etc...

Various oligarchs, the corrupt Biden family, Victoria Nuland, NATO etc... tried to keep the corpse alive, but Europe’s map is being re-drawn again.


27 posted on 03/08/2022 5:21:20 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Nextrush
Soros won't let them surrender.
28 posted on 03/08/2022 5:23:07 PM PST by McGruff (The first casualty when war comes is truth)
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To: PGR88

Well, Austria-Hungary actually came about as a result of a personal union resulting from the intermarriage of the Austrian Hapsburgs and the rulers of the Kingdom of Hungary... like when King George III ruled both England and Hannover. It existed in that form, as two separate nations ruled by one dynasty, for centuries before it was merged into a single state.


29 posted on 03/08/2022 5:33:35 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: MercyFlush

> Besides, I’m looking forward to the Ukrainians attacking targets inside Russia. Why should Ukrainian civilians be the only ones to suffer? Let the Russians feel some pain for what Pidor Putin is doing.

i have been wondering about that also. it seems to me that weastern russia is left open to sabotage.


30 posted on 03/08/2022 5:43:22 PM PST by SteveH (.)
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To: Nextrush

At this point we can be sure that Putin has read Milton.


31 posted on 03/08/2022 5:48:40 PM PST by Ouderkirk (The democRATS are not looking to govern, they intend to RULE.)
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To: Gen.Blather

People aren’t flowing out of Sweden and Switzerland by the bus loads. I think there can be
loads of confidence had if a country’s position is steadfastly neutral and doesn’t actually use that designation to play around. That way the country has security guarantees from both superpowers not to F with it. Of course I believe the current neocons and deep state NWO would never let this happen, Ukraine has been their toy for too long


32 posted on 03/08/2022 5:58:49 PM PST by pangaea6
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To: MercyFlush

If the Ukrainians start hitting stuff inside Russia, then it’s going to get very ugly, very fast. It will turn public opinion inside Russia against Ukraine, which is what is stopping a full blitzkrieg now.

That’s not something that I look forward to at all.


33 posted on 03/08/2022 5:59:34 PM PST by Ouderkirk (The democRATS are not looking to govern, they intend to RULE.)
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To: Gen.Blather

So you base it on a hunch, got it.

Russia has no desire to have a border with Poland. They want a buffer country between themselves and NATO. Anyone with a brain who hasn’t jumped on the “Putin Bad!” bandwagon (you know, the latest Russia Russia Russia hoax) knows that. Putin has been saying it for 15 years. Great statesmen from the west have been saying it. The immediate threat of NATO expansion triggered the war.

Putin wants ,and will get, a neutral Ukraine between Russia and Poland. Only question now is how large that country will be.

Do you know anything about Eastern Ukraine? What languages are spoken, where? What % of Crimeans consider themselves Russian? What % of the Donbas region want to join Russia?

Western Ukrain is not going to be under Russian Rule. They will be a neutral, independent, Ukraine. The eastern half, at least half of the population considers themselves to be Russian already. They will be absorbed into Russia.

Done deal. It’s over, unless the US decides to start WWIII. TBD.

Both halves of Ukraine will be fine. IF Zalenski gives up. If not, then more of Ukraine could end up as part of Russia.

It’s not as simple as the MSM and CIA propaganda put out. Don’t believe it.


34 posted on 03/08/2022 6:42:32 PM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally. The war is on Biden and Obama.)
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To: jimwatx

- from his bunker -


35 posted on 03/08/2022 6:56:01 PM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: mrsmith

That could still happen.


36 posted on 03/08/2022 6:58:21 PM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: ought-six

“I don’t know what the original poster based his comment on; but perhaps it is the fact that so many Ukrainians do not like Russians (indeed, many deeply hate them), and don’t want to live under their yoke, especially after they invaded and destroyed their country.”

Ukrainians will have choices.

They can stay and kill Russians or they can stay and work with Russians.
They can also leave and get away from Russians.


37 posted on 03/08/2022 7:44:24 PM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

My Ukrainian girlfriend from 1998-2002 was an Eastern Ukrainian who spoke 4 languages.
Her best spoken language was Russian.

I don’t recall once in 4 years, her making any anti Russian statements.

You should’ve seen her jaw drop when I told her Reagan was my favorite President. She said: “Reagan wanted to destroy my nation.”

I said he’s an actor he was just joking.


38 posted on 03/08/2022 7:58:08 PM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: escapefromboston

Let me make sure I understand

In the past 15 years Ukraine has never elected leadership opposed to America and supportive of Russia ?


39 posted on 03/08/2022 8:46:56 PM PST by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: SteveH

Just wait until the mighty Ukrainian Air Force gets those fighter planes from Poland. And some bombers, too.

Then you will see Russian cities being annihilated.

(Do I ned the sarcasm tag?)


40 posted on 03/08/2022 8:48:18 PM PST by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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