Posted on 03/08/2022 9:40:05 AM PST by bitt
Vice President Kamala Harris and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg were criticized Monday for a “tone-deaf” event focused on promoting electric buses as gas prices soared for most Americans.
Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-Okla.), a member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, tweeted, “The Biden Administration could not be more tone-deaf.”
“Vice President Kamala Harris and [Transportation] Secretary Pete Buttigieg spent the afternoon promoting electric vehicles and Green New Deal policies.
“Are you kidding me?” Mullin wrote.
Harris and her possible 2024 rival Buttigieg teamed up for an event celebrating the first anniversary of the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan Act, which passed last March with only Democratic support.
Neither Harris nor Buttigieg specifically mentioned gas prices while speaking in the White House-adjacent Eisenhower Executive Office Building — or the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which threatens to send those prices even higher.
Harris asked her audience to “imagine a future” with electric vehicles.
“Imagine a future: the freight trucks that deliver bread and milk to our grocery store shelves and the buses that take children to school and parents to work. Imagine all the heavy-duty vehicles that keep our supply lines strong and allow our economy to grow. Imagine that they produce zero emissions. Well, you all imagined it,” she said.
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What a pair , knee pads and fairy dust
Where are the electric tractors, combines and large trucks needed to plant and harvest grain? Imagine without soy beans there will be no tofurkey at your local Whole Foods
You don’t know what you are talking about. He didn’t have a Tesla he had an older electric car and yes, he did have to stop to charge his car and it took quite some time.
That must have been one shitty electric car. Which model was it?
Imagine the chaos when Houston or New
Orleans is without power for a week
after a cat 5 hurricane. Not to mention
most of the charging stations flooded
in 3 feet of water.
I know that I am going to roasted over this, but I wish someone would start cheerleading for hydrogen fuel cells.
Yes, we would have to put a hydrogen distribution system in place at the scale of the existing gasoline/diesel system
Yes, hydrogen is currently expensive compared to gasoline (or maybe not these days). Expect prices to go down along the supply/demand curve
But there are significant advantages.
No Chinese, lithium dependent batteries to catch fire
No replacement costs - the fuel cells will last the lifetime of the vehicle
Absolutely zero emissions as there is no combustion - the byproduct is water
Most abundant element in the universe
OK. Flame on me!
Yeah, imagine all those vehicles charging at the same time overnight. What energy source will be required to generate the required electric power? Solar? Wind? At night? Sure. The price of a kWh will go through the roof. Dummies.
Imagine the chaos when Houston or New Orleans is without power for a week after a cat 5 hurricane. Not to mention most of the charging stations flooded in 3 feet of water.
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One must make sacrifices to save the planet while being fleeced of even more $$$$ by the same bunch.
Old. He was broke and his parents kept hitting him up for money so it couldn’t have been too nice. The only time they talked about how long it took him, I didn’t take notice of the name of it so it wasn’t anything I had ever heard of.
Sounds like it was a golf cart. The only EV I can think of that might have had such a restricted range would have been a very old Leaf.
Yes, but it wouldn’t be possible if so many of their followers had any critical thinking skills. You can be there were tons of people staring dreamily into space when they heard Harris conjure up the magnificent dream. Such people have no interest in a socialist revolution. They’re just imbeciles.
“I had this neighbor whose son would drive a 2- 2.5 hr trip, depending on traffic, to see her. When he switched to some electric car the trip took him usually over 5 hours as he had to stop to charge and many times had to wait.”
So, it sounds like it was about a 125-ish mile trip.
If he owned a 2013 Nissan Leaf, it could go about 75 miles on a full charge. If the car was a few years old, that would have dropped to about 60 miles.
On the newest Leaf - can’t find charging times for the older models - with the fastest charger available it would take him 40 minutes to get to 80% charged.
It could easily be two charges to go 125 miles, especially if the car were not fully charged to begin with. If it were an ICV the gas stop would take 5 minutes and be no big deal. Let’s say it was after work and his car was already half depleted.
Drive 30 miles - ~35 minutes
Charge - 40 minutes (80% charge)
Drive 50 miles - ~57 minutes
Charge - 40 minutes
Drive 45 miles - ~50 minutes
Note, in this example there are charging stations EXACTLY where he needs them and they are Rapid 100kW charging stations. This would be really unlikely outside of California. If he live in an area with only Fast 22kW charging stations, it would take 6 hours to get to 80% charge, but I digress...
This puts the previously 2 to 2.5 hour drive at a tad over 3.5 hours.
Were this a Chevy Spark from the same era, with a 51 mile range when new and a 40 mile range after about 4 years, it could easily be in the 5 hour time frame.
Maybe he was traveling in an area that had a lot of EVs? Just waiting for one car in front of him to finish charging could take that 40 charge to an 80 minute wait-and-charge.
Point is, unlike the EV pushers here on FR with their Tesla Model 3’s that cost as much as this home in Kentucky...
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/6309-Eureka-Ave_Louisville_KY_40216_M31998-94612
MOST Americans can’t afford the pricy virtue signaling vehicles. What they can afford and avoid the snobbish wrath of the EV disciples will not get them very far and will deter them from taking longer trips.
I’d rather live in a Tesla than in that shithole house listing you posted.
Thank you for reinforcing the stereotype.
Oh, I don’t own an EV at the moment, but I’ve owned them. As I’ve said a hundred times on this forum, they are not for everyone, and you should buy and drive the car that fits your needs, regardless of its powerplant. The gentleman who bought the old and incapable EV would have had a different experience with any of the more recent generations of vehicles.
"This means leave off the the cussing and swear words. No f-bombs. No c-words, no sh-words, etc. Not even masked. If in a headline or article you're preparing to post, bleep it out."
<>when there’s a hurricane the power is out for many square miles sometimes for a week. That includes powering gas pumps. My daughter has experienced that near the gulf.<>
I live near the Gulf of Mexico. Late May every year I fill four jerrycans with gas. With twenty gallons at hand I can evacuate, return, and have gas left over.
OTOH, if thousands of evacuees in EVs don’t mind getting stranded in the Florida heat . . . have at it.
True that. I live in Alabama (not as hot as Florida unless you happen to be in a bar in Opelika on a Saturday night after Auburn loses yet again). But hot enough that we can relate to each other.
My home solar system in northern part of Alabama produces the most power on days it's the hottest. It's not a stable enough system to go off-grid by any means. But it's a good solution to winning most of the big battles like the yuge power costs of the summer. My now all-electric house is powered 55% by solar across the entire year (much more during the warmest half, less during the other half).
When the weather predicts a storm in the next day or two I configure my inverter to quit acting in money save mode (which pulls power I need from solar panels, if that's not enough pull from batteries, it that's not enough pull from grid) and put it in what I call emergency protection mode (direct all solar power to charging the batteries until they're 100% charged, then power the house). If necessary I can charge batteries from the grid, but I've done that only twice because I watched the weather ahead of time and charged them with solar. The few times the power has gone out this past year my inverter automatically powers a panel that has the circuits I consider critical (much like a backup generator powers a special panel). With normal power both panels are powered, mostly from solar power but sometimes during the night from grid power, with no regard to which circuits are on which panel. But if the grid power goes out only the critical load panel is powered. I can easily put the EV charger on that panel.
If I get an EV, and that's an IF, I already decided I'd double the solar capacity and triple the battery capacity. But that's me thinking in terms of self-preparedness without worrying about gubment control freaks limiting power or gas, including after a storm, during a war on the other side of the world, to protect a yellow haired snail dart, or any other excuse they come up with.
Have you ever seen a hydrogen explosion?
Oh! The Huge Manatee.
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